Timeline for How do proponents of Perseverance of the Saints have confidence in their salvation?
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| May 15, 2022 at 1:05 | vote | accept | Luke Hill | ||
| May 10, 2022 at 16:51 | comment | added | SLM | @LukeHill But what IS "lose your salvation"? Is it momentary doubt? Committing a mortal sin and not repenting? What of purgatory (if you believe that)? Stop believing in what? Is it dying in doubt or a question unanswered? Basically, you are saying someone's salvation is dependent on her constantly "exhibiting belief". Whatever that means, which of course means, your argument fails. | |
| May 10, 2022 at 14:30 | comment | added | Luke Hill | @SLM No, I don't need to show that. That isn't the argument. Proponents of PoS say it's impossible to lose your salvation. I'm saying that there are people who exhibited belief, but then stopped exhibiting that belief. | |
| May 10, 2022 at 14:06 | comment | added | SLM | You need to show that "walking away" is equivalent to "losing your salvation" in order to at least bolster your argument. Recall the prodigal son example. And see 2 Tim 2:13. As mentioned, the New Covenant is one-sided, not an "if-then" covenant. | |
| May 10, 2022 at 11:53 | comment | added | Mike Borden | Related: christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/12096/… | |
| May 10, 2022 at 11:53 | comment | added | Mike Borden | If you study God's covenant with Abram carefully (Genesis 15) you will see that it is a one-sided covenant...Abram had no contractual obligation therefore if the covenant is dis-annulled it is by God failing or reneging. If we are in Christ, by faith, we are heirs of THAT promise. The Law and all the other conditional covenants came after and do not void the promise. Galatians 3. Hope that helps! | |
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| May 10, 2022 at 0:28 | comment | added | Luke Hill | @GratefulDisciple I can simply modify the objection to refer to belief rather than fruit. My mistake was to lump the belief in Christ with fruit. | |
| May 10, 2022 at 0:00 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackChristian/status/1523815157197115392 | ||
| May 9, 2022 at 23:22 | comment | added | GratefulDisciple | AFAIK, for TULIP (Reformed) Christians, assurance of salvation is not in terms of fruit but on something else (so P1 is false) (see this article). Also, temporary backsliding can happen for the elect (see here): "Traditional Calvinists ... posit ... though perfection is not achievable, struggles with sin will continue, and some temporary "backsliding" may occur." It seems assurance is not guaranteed, a common anxiety among Puritans ! | |
| May 9, 2022 at 20:44 | comment | added | user50422 | This question inspired me to ask this related one: christianity.stackexchange.com/q/91039/50422 | |
| May 9, 2022 at 19:33 | history | edited | user50422 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 9, 2022 at 19:27 | history | edited | Luke Hill | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 9, 2022 at 18:09 | answer | added | Cork88 | timeline score: 1 | |
| May 9, 2022 at 16:42 | history | asked | Luke Hill | CC BY-SA 4.0 |