Timeline for According to Biblical Unitarians, what is the essential belief about Jesus in order to be saved?
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| Dec 31, 2022 at 14:44 | comment | added | Mike Borden | "How (and when) is Jesus made the Christ?" - Acts 2:36. The 'establishment' of Jesus as both Lord and Christ is in the aorist tense here which is deliberately silent on when the action takes place. If He was not made Lord until the resurrection then John 13:13 makes no sense. You love to quote Hebrews 2:17 which is fine for there is powerful truth there however, Jesus said "you are of this world, I am not of this world" so there is a distinction to be made beyond the plain immediate text. Until you can bring all Scripture into harmony you will fail to "believe that I am" (John 8:23-24) | |
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| Apr 12, 2022 at 17:10 | comment | added | Only True God | Interesting hypothesis. It's basically turning the Athanasian creed around and firing at the trinitarians. ;) I think trinitarian belief probably doesn't interfere with salvation significantly, because it's so funny. They will think about Jesus as a man, and not even blink when God is praying to God (why is He praying to God? He is God!), say. Functionally, in many cases, trinitarianism treats Jesus as a man, IMO. | |
| Jan 26, 2022 at 3:53 | comment | added | steveowen | ‘Greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world’. Jesus had his own will which literally desired that which was contrary to God. What he chose was to submit to the presence of God, to obey. He was influenced by both powers, he chose which to obey. By choosing the good, he enabled the power of God to work in him. God does not force obedience, once we choose, God provides for the needs - in Jesus’ case, to save him from death Heb 5:7 | |
| Jan 26, 2022 at 2:34 | comment | added | Mike Borden | You said Jesus overcame by the power of God in him, of which we have a small part. Therefore you acknowledge that he had an advantage, no? If he overcame because he exercised his own independent will to obey then we can do the same and the Spirit plays no role. If the Spirit played a role in his exercise of will then he had an advantage because he did not receive a limited portion (John 3:34). | |
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| Jan 25, 2022 at 22:05 | comment | added | steveowen | @MikeBorden according to tradition, at Jesus’ baptism, he, as God, was given God by God. When we are born of God and filled with God’s spirit, no longer sinning, we will still not be God. Jesus, made like us, able to be tempted and sin, but because Jesus exercised his own, independent will, he chose to obey. It is this choosing, against severe temptation that he overcame. This whole scenario is impossible if he were God, not to mention farcical. | |
| Jan 25, 2022 at 15:12 | comment | added | DJClayworth | There are many questions I expected to find answered here that are not, all related to "what does a Biblical Unitarian have to believe about Jesus?". Do you have to believe he was sinless? Born of a virgin? Born of the Spirit? The son of God in a unique way? Died and was resurrected? Ascended to heaven? Will come again to judge? Taught with absolute authority? Existed since the dawn of time? Was active in the Creation? | |
| Jan 25, 2022 at 12:50 | comment | added | Mike Borden | Please reconcile these two statements of yours: "If he was also God, this whole pivotal matter of overcoming would be of no consequence" and "by the power of God in him as we have a small deposit". I have heard you say before that if Jesus was God then his overcoming is a farce. He was given the Spirit (God's power) without measure and we have only a small deposit. Doesn't the farce remain if Jesus overcame because he had a measureless portion of God's power? | |
| Jan 25, 2022 at 12:20 | comment | added | steveowen | If you feel scripture - which is all I have presented, attacks the deity of Jesus, that is up to you. Biblical Unitarians have a specifically biblical approach to the nature of all things concerning God, Jesus and salvation and need rely on no other material for their trust and faith in God and His son. I firstly present scripture - it just happens to be most suitably explained and understood by BU's better than most. | |
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| Jan 25, 2022 at 10:47 | comment | added | Nigel J | This is simply an attack on the belief in the Deity of Jesus Christ. It does not answer the question : it does not say what salvation is nor does it tell me what 'Biblical Unitarians' (as a body) regard as the 'essential belief' and why it can be asserted (from scripture) that it is, indeed, the 'essential belief'. A very poor answer to your own question, in my view. To sum up your answer - it is essential not to believe that Jesus is God in order to be saved (sic). | |
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| Jan 25, 2022 at 8:43 | history | answered | steveowen | CC BY-SA 4.0 |