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| Aug 10, 2020 at 20:37 | comment | added | seekingPeace | @curiousdannii also, isn't Donatism related to a priest renouncing Christianity in favor of Gnosticism? To me that is different than someone living in sin.To me, it doesn't change the validity of someone's past baptism still, or possibly their past anointing. | |
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| Jul 8, 2020 at 2:33 | comment | added | seekingPeace | Only God can say. God determines where the river of the Holy Spirit flows. David got up out of his sin and continued to obey God. So did Sampson. God knows who He can rely on to obey Him at any given moment. I believe in residual obedience. It is not ALL lost by a single moment of disobedience any more than becoming truly powerful can happen in a single moment of obedience. With respect to Donatism: in my life I experienced being anointed by a man. That man, years later, walked away from God. It doesn't change that He was obeying God at the time I was anointed by Him. | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 2:26 | comment | added | curiousdannii♦ | But they would lose the true spiritual authority to appoint bishops/elders? | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 2:23 | comment | added | seekingPeace | So in context, I believe that "if they don't continue on in obedience then they will NOT lose contact with the freedom to obey Jesus' command to baptize people". | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 2:17 | comment | added | seekingPeace | My view is that baptism is a separate issue. I believe that someone can baptize people while living in sin (although it's not ideal for other aspects of Church life) and actually be obeying Jesus' words in Matthew 28 by doing so if they are baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit doesn't respect people, per se (although I believe He treasures people and respects their God given freedom). The Holy Spirit respects obedience to Himself. | |
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| Jul 8, 2020 at 2:11 | comment | added | curiousdannii♦ | Right, but the Donatist belief was that a baptism wasn't valid if the person doing it had given into sin. (It's not about the person being baptised.) That sounds similar to what you said: "if they don't continue on in obedience then they will lose contact with that anointing and the ability to successfully anoint others." If the chain of apostolic succession is broken by disobedience, then that's very close to Donatism. | |
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| Jul 8, 2020 at 1:38 | comment | added | seekingPeace | I am using the word "anointing" and "Holy Spirit" basically interchangeably because of, for example, Isaiah 61:1. Human positions and cooperation with the Holy Spirit do not always go hand in hand. I'd say it's basically a humanist belief to assume they do. | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 1:35 | comment | added | seekingPeace | Hi @curiousdannii! I would not at all say that the same thing applies to baptism. Baptism is a sacrament that can be performed on sinful people in recognition of their faith in Christ and their transition from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of God. The Holy Spirit is a person of the Trinity that cannot cooperate with sin at all (Galatians 5:17). Being born of the Spirit is a one time action of the Holy Spirit that does not guarantee comprehensive future cooperation with the Spirit, thus Paul's admonition to believers to walk by the Spirit (Galatians 5:25). | |
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| Jul 7, 2020 at 23:01 | comment | added | curiousdannii♦ | Hello and welcome to the site! This is an interesting answer, but it sounds close to Donatism. If an anointing isn't valid because of the anointer's hidden sin, would you say the same about baptism? And can you please edit this to explain which denominations/churches teach this? | |
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| Jul 7, 2020 at 17:28 | history | answered | seekingPeace | CC BY-SA 4.0 |