Timeline for Distinction between Created Son and Begotten Son for Jehovah's Witnesses
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| Jun 4, 2023 at 20:38 | comment | added | Mike Borden | @Biblasia He is one being who is omnipresent in space and across all time. I don't think the traditional view of essence is all that limiting. | |
| Jun 4, 2023 at 12:51 | comment | added | Biblasia | @MikeBorden The "same essence" is usually how those view God as being just one Being. It is typically used synonymously with "substance". Is that not your usage? | |
| Jun 4, 2023 at 12:47 | comment | added | Mike Borden | @Biblasia essence - the intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, especially something abstract, that determines its character. Why can the three not be distinct and the same essence? | |
| Jun 3, 2023 at 13:06 | comment | added | Biblasia | @MikeBorden So you see the three persons of the Trinity as having the same Spirit essence (consubstantial) and, therefore, as all being "the Holy Spirit", right? How, then, can there yet be three when the Holy Spirit is supposed to be only one of the three? | |
| Jun 3, 2023 at 13:03 | comment | added | Mike Borden | @Biblasia If the nature is Deity and the essence is Spirit, yes. | |
| Jun 2, 2023 at 13:31 | comment | added | Biblasia | "That which is begotten is of the same nature as that which begat it." And is it of the same essence, too? Trinitarian logic would imply that the umbilical was never severed, and the substance remained so intertwined as to still consist of a single life and being: coequal, coeval, coeternal--confounded. | |
| Jun 25, 2020 at 10:54 | comment | added | Mike Borden | @GratefulDisciple This article might interest you. dennyburk.com/… | |
| Jun 7, 2020 at 13:14 | comment | added | Kristopher | christianity.stackexchange.com/q/56256/23657 | |
| Jun 7, 2020 at 12:30 | history | edited | Mike Borden | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 12, 2020 at 11:14 | comment | added | Nigel J | This Question on SE dealt with the word monogenes and with (for example) Charles Lee Irons' arguments for it being translated as 'only begotten' (as per the Nicene Creed) and not 'unique/one of a kind'. | |
| Feb 12, 2020 at 0:00 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackChristian/status/1227381960408027146 | ||
| Feb 11, 2020 at 22:17 | vote | accept | Mike Borden | ||
| Feb 11, 2020 at 18:44 | answer | added | Kristopher | timeline score: 4 | |
| Feb 11, 2020 at 13:30 | comment | added | Mike Borden | @Kris The people Jesus actually spoke to understood what he was saying in the actual context (John 5:18 and Mark 14:61-64 for example). | |
| Feb 11, 2020 at 13:20 | comment | added | Mike Borden | @Kris I am drawing the distinction contexualy. There is a large enough body of research establishing that μονογενής derives from μόνος (alone) and γένος (class, kind). Here is a good article by a gentleman with a masters in biblical languages and it is well referenced: bible-researcher.com/only-begotten.html | |
| Feb 11, 2020 at 4:04 | comment | added | Kristopher | Can you cite a Greek scholar who defines begotten as “same nature”? | |
| Feb 11, 2020 at 1:28 | comment | added | Kristopher | Related christianity.stackexchange.com/a/75161/23657 | |
| Feb 11, 2020 at 0:30 | comment | added | GratefulDisciple | There is a third option that started to gain currency among evangelicals without ceasing to be Trinitarian: μονογενής = "unique" or "one-of-a-kind" argued by Hebrew scholar Michael Heiser in his research and books. | |
| Feb 11, 2020 at 0:07 | history | asked | Mike Borden | CC BY-SA 4.0 |