Timeline for What are the current views of the Catholic Church on the right to secession?
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| Aug 22, 2016 at 19:53 | answer | added | Geremia | timeline score: 3 | |
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| Mar 23, 2016 at 1:08 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | @gaazkam I will point out Stalin's question "The Pope! How many divisions has he got?" regarding whether or not the Pope, or the church has the combined authority, will, and means to "permit" or "not permit" a ruler forcibly crushing such a rebellion. Since about 1870, and IMO about a century earlier, that has been a moot point. The Church can always make its appeal to virtues and God's law, and does so with some frequency even nowadays. | |
| Feb 21, 2016 at 22:29 | answer | added | Geremia | timeline score: 4 | |
| Jan 30, 2016 at 20:41 | comment | added | DJClayworth | In passing: "the Scottish should be granted Independence". You mean forced to be independent against their wishes, as expressed in a referendum? | |
| Jan 30, 2016 at 20:18 | comment | added | gaazkam | @Geremia That’s interesting. Many thanks so far. There are, however, two more problems. Q1. How does this relate to the already cited CCC 1901? These two documents seem to contradict each other on the matter. Q2. Assuming that a ruler did not loose their authority and therefore rebelling against them is sinful, but a rebellion still breaks out and it’s only goal is to secede, does the Church permit such a ruler to forcibly crush such a rebellion? | |
| Jan 30, 2016 at 19:14 | comment | added | Geremia | @gaazkam Yes, of course rebellion is a sin (cf. Eph. 6), but notice the Bl. Pope Pius IX says "legitimate princes." Some have lost their authority by enacting laws contrary to the natural or divine laws. | |
| Jan 30, 2016 at 17:15 | comment | added | Ken Graham♦ | Perhaps an answer with some possible historical papal actions could be found in order to support any existing documents would be welcome. Can we find the reasons and/or any papal statements to back up various coronations such as Pepin the Short or Charlemagne? In days gone by, Popes have even placed interdicts on various regions in order to bring Catholic monarchs back to the moral code of the day, Hilaire Belloc as an historian has written on the subject of English succession and why he thinks it is invalid. | |
| Jan 30, 2016 at 17:12 | comment | added | gaazkam | @Geremia Sorry, I forgot to mention the source. Syllabus of Errors point 63, full text ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/P9SYLL.HTM | |
| Jan 30, 2016 at 12:08 | comment | added | gaazkam | @Geremia Bl. Pope Pius IX authored the famous Syllabus of Errors, where he condemns, among others, that “it is lawful to refuse obedience to legitimate princes, and even to rebel against them” and cites «Encyclical "Qui pluribus," Nov. 9, 1864; Allocution "Quibusque vestrum," Oct. 4, 1847; "Noscitis et Nobiscum," Dec. 8, 1849; Apostolic Letter "Cum Catholica."» | |
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| Jan 29, 2016 at 22:03 | comment | added | gaazkam | @AndrewLeach The CCC I referenced in my question links to Gaudium et Spes, but while I’m not certain, I can’t shake off the feeling that this priest was referring to a different council. | |
| Jan 29, 2016 at 21:10 | comment | added | Andrew Leach | It would appear that the official document is Gaudium et Spes (one of the output of Vatican II). | |
| Jan 29, 2016 at 20:50 | comment | added | Geremia | Bl. Pope Pius IX wrote a letter to Jefferson Davies, acknowledging him as "Honorable President of the Confederate States of America." | |
| Jan 29, 2016 at 20:11 | comment | added | Lee Woofenden | Welcome to Christianity.SE. For a quick overview of what this site is about, please take the Site Tour. Interesting question! It would be helpful if you (or someone else reading this) could track down the specific Catholic priest and ecumenical council that you're referring to. Meanwhile, we'll see what answers come. | |
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