Timeline for Do you have to have a certain amount of intelligence to get into heaven?
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| Jul 29, 2014 at 16:35 | comment | added | Jim G. | @Caleb: No amount of will power will—in itself—give you the power to avoid sin. That's where you've gotten things cross-wired. It must be coupled with at least a modicum of intelligence. | |
| Jul 29, 2014 at 16:34 | comment | added | robert bristow-johnson | this is the answer that is blatantly incompatible with the teachings of Jesus. Jim doesn't get it at all. but for the lack of 16 in my rep (because they keep taking it away in quantities of 50 or 100 or "all but 1") another downvote would be added. | |
| Jul 29, 2014 at 14:44 | comment | added | Caleb | @JimG. No amount of intelligence will—in itself—give you the power to avoid sin. That's where you've gotten things cross-wired, intelligence isn't directly linked to either salvation or sin. With at least three people trying to point this out to you have you considered stepping back and considering whether you might be connecting the dots wrong somewhere? You're simply not dealing with theology the way Christianity does or not using English language the way most people do. It's probably worth figuring out which of those you've got wrong (or at least understand how your beliefs are different). | |
| Jul 29, 2014 at 14:27 | comment | added | Jim G. | @DJClayworth: I'll put it in the simplest terms I possibly can by rephrasing the question - Do you need a certain amount of intelligence to avoid sin? | |
| Jul 29, 2014 at 13:38 | comment | added | DJClayworth | @JimG. You are unfortunately confusing 'ignorance', the opposite of knowledge, with 'intelligence' and its opposite, stupidity. They are not the same thing, and are not in fact necessarily correlated. | |
| Jul 29, 2014 at 8:20 | history | edited | Jim G. | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jul 29, 2014 at 8:20 | comment | added | Jim G. | @Caleb: Let me add a parenthetical then to the last paragraph of my answer: Indeed, I am drawing an important distinction between someone who perished before they had a chance to experience God (or someone who was mentally incapacitated) and someone who either carelessly or willfully remained ignorant of God throughout their entire full life. | |
| Jul 29, 2014 at 8:17 | comment | added | Caleb | @JimG. You are conflating two issues—levels of intelligence are completely unrelated to the kind of "having knowledge of" that most Christians belief is necessary to have faith. They are completely separate variables and you are trying to imply they are the same. Most branches of Christianity belief hearing of / knowing something of the gospel is necessary for salvation, but that faith is granted irrespective of "intelligence". Very smart people may never hear the gospel or come to faith while someone incapacitated by mental disability might. | |
| Jul 29, 2014 at 8:06 | comment | added | Jim G. | @Caleb: How can you know God if you are ignorant of God? | |
| Jul 29, 2014 at 4:43 | comment | added | Caleb | This may be your opinion or even the belief of some groups but it is blatantly contrary to the belief of most major theological traditions. | |
| Jul 28, 2014 at 19:35 | comment | added | DJClayworth | Utter and complete bollocks, caused by an unfortunately common problem of regarding Christianity as a Book of Rules and not a relationship with a loving God. | |
| Jul 17, 2014 at 1:49 | history | edited | Jim G. | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jul 17, 2014 at 1:36 | comment | added | Jim G. | @bruisedreed: Also, what's your response to the two Biblical passages that I referenced? | |
| Jul 17, 2014 at 1:34 | comment | added | Jim G. | @bruisedreed: Indeed, I am drawing an important distinction between someone who perished before they had a chance to experience God and someone who either carelessly or willfully remained ignorant of God throughout their entire full life. | |
| Jul 17, 2014 at 1:31 | comment | added | bruised reed | I would like to be able to do that, but in my opinion your caveat undermines the whole sense of your argument. | |
| Jul 17, 2014 at 1:11 | comment | added | Jim G. | @bruisedreed: I just fortified my answer with Biblical passages. Could you possibly remove your downvote, sir? | |
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| Jul 17, 2014 at 1:03 | history | edited | Jim G. | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jul 17, 2014 at 0:54 | comment | added | bruised reed | Well it wouldn't help me, as I don't accept the Vatican as my authority on such matters, but you might like to include it in your answer ;) | |
| Jul 17, 2014 at 0:51 | comment | added | Jim G. | No. That is a different case, if not a special case. If it helps, here is the Vatican's teaching on that matter: vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/… | |
| Jul 17, 2014 at 0:50 | comment | added | bruised reed | Interesting, would you believe that all babies are damned if they die before an age when they're able to understand these things, even if they're born to believing parents? Is it possible you could be more explicit about the source of your perspective - the other answer at least is quoting scripture as it's basis. | |
| Jul 17, 2014 at 0:32 | history | answered | Jim G. | CC BY-SA 3.0 |