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Feb 8 '13 at 2:57 comment added Andrew Whether they are implemented correctly or not is not part of this discussion unless you want to get into whether or not one must follow the laws of the country (the last two paragraphs). So whether or not it is implemented properly does not impact whether or not a theft occurred.
Feb 8 '13 at 2:40 comment added Mason Wheeler @drew: That claim demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of both patents and basic economics. I know it's easy to reduce the question to a very simplistic black-and-white "stealing is stealing" position, but that's also very incorrect. You really should look into the research that's going on in this area as to the actual effect (as opposed to the claims of how it should theoretically work) of copyrights and patents, their violation, and their enforcement, on society, on culture, and on innovation.
Feb 8 '13 at 2:29 comment added absurdrefusal +1 Good answer. Especially loved the last two paragraphs by you. :-)
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Feb 8 '13 at 0:32 comment added Andrew But that design is their intellectual property. They expended millions or more on designing that car. Copying that design is theft of their property. That's what patents are for. And please refrain from insults in the discussion.
Feb 8 '13 at 0:26 comment added Mason Wheeler No, I would have copied their design. I'm sorry, but the distinction is so obvious that even a child can understand it. The misappropriation of the term "stealing" to apply it to copies is nothing more than a sleazy manipulation of our language to attempt to shut down a very important conversation about culture and rights before it even starts.
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Feb 8 '13 at 0:21 comment added Andrew No, it would not have been stolen from me, It would have been stolen from the car's manufacturer. You stole their design.
Feb 8 '13 at 0:20 comment added Mason Wheeler Put it this way: if I made an exact copy of your car and drove it away, without damaging your car in any way, would you say that I had stolen from you?
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Feb 8 '13 at 0:16 comment added Andrew But it is stealing. If you download a computer program without permission, you are stealing intellectual property. Stealing does not necessarily mean that the original is no longer there.
Feb 7 '13 at 23:57 comment added Mason Wheeler Simply calling something stealing does not make it stealing. If someone steals your car, for example, not only do they now have a car, but now you don't have it anymore. But when a copy of something is made and the original is not damaged in any way, nothing has been stolen. (Note that I'm not saying that it is not a sin; only that it is highly inaccurate to call it "stealing".)
Feb 7 '13 at 23:53 history answered Andrew CC BY-SA 3.0