Timeline for Did Paul remain a Jew even after his conversion?
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| Jun 3 at 13:54 | comment | added | Mark Vestal | @MikeBorden Yes, sir. One body of many members. 1 Cor 12:13-14 "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many." All believers are "in Christ", but Israel has an earthly purpose in Christ, as the church today has a heavenly purpose in Christ, but one day... Eph 1:10 "That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:" | |
| Jun 3 at 12:44 | comment | added | Mike Borden | @MarkVestal "that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross". One Olive tree, one new man out of two, one body of reconciliation. | |
| May 31 at 16:51 | comment | added | Mark Vestal | @MikeBorden Both groups have access to the fatness of the root of the olive tree, but they are not of the same branch. Romans 11:28 "As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes." | |
| May 31 at 16:42 | comment | added | Mike Borden | @MarkVestal They are separate until saved by grace through faith. Then they are one. One olive tree with natural (Jew) and non-natural (Gentile) branches. | |
| May 31 at 2:07 | comment | added | Hold To The Rod | @MithridatestheGreat per Acts 17:2 & 18:8 I think Paul was very willing to teach Jews-even leaders-but there were certainly Jews who were not receptive to his message. However, his assigned area of labor was among the Gentiles, not the religious leaders of Jerusalem (see Galatians 2:7), so he focused most on the assignment he was given. The case that Christianity was a legal religion in the Roman empire appears to have developed as a defensive move to protect Paul (and other Christians) against prosecution. Paul wouldn't have stopped believing in Christ if Rome had declared his faith illegal. | |
| May 30 at 23:00 | comment | added | Mark Vestal | They're separate: Romans 11:25-28 "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes." | |
| May 30 at 19:53 | comment | added | Mithridates the Great | @TheDarkCanuck well, we don’t have much data to talk about it clearly but I assume that the proportation of Jews that believed in Jesus in comparison to who did not believe is very small or not comparable at all. So, it seems Christianity took a serious momentum when it was introduced to Gentiles and surprisingly some of them got into that movement. But the question is what was introduced to Gentiles as Jesus message, was the same as what actually Jesus was preaching in Judea? Well, Paul tried to make it more appealing to Hellenized world by removing obscure Mosaic laws to a non-Jew audience. | |
| May 30 at 19:24 | comment | added | The Dark Canuck | @MithridatestheGreat Jesus had 12 apostles, but a great many disciples. The 12 were his closest students and companions, but the Gospels make it clear that there were many others who believed in him and even followed him. Mattias and Joseph Barsabbas/Justus, the proposed replacements for Judas for example | |
| May 30 at 19:07 | comment | added | GratefulDisciple | @MithridatestheGreat "he might understood after his resurrection that he has no place in the Jewish community." I don't think Christians believe this, since if Paul's hope for a united Jewish + Gentile Christians is realistic, it should be based on God's hope as well. That means the human body of God (i.e. Jesus) remains bodily in heaven so Jews and Gentiles on earth who both can potentially become Christian can be united with Jesus as head of humanity. The question is whether race / ethnicity a bodily property? If yes, then Jesus (in his human nature) remains Jewish in heaven. If no, then no. | |
| May 30 at 18:56 | comment | added | Mithridates the Great | @GratefulDisciple well, no disrespect but I guess Jesus preached a couple years in Judea but he was only able to convince 12 people out of the broad Jewish community into his beliefs. In my opinion that’s a clear failure. So by considering how Jesus was treated by Jews (both religious/political leaders and common people), I’d say he might understood after his resurrection that he has no place in the Jewish community. So, believe it or not he might gave up on Jews totally. | |
| May 30 at 18:45 | comment | added | GratefulDisciple | @MithridatestheGreat I'm tempted to ask a follow-up question "Did Jesus remain a Jew even after his resurrection / ascension?" I have my answer in mind, but a little afraid to stir the pot. | |
| May 30 at 18:25 | comment | added | GratefulDisciple | This should be the accepted answer. When Paul says "there is neither Jew nor Greek" in Gal 3:28-29, and when Paul emphasize reconciliation of both groups through Christ in Eph 2:11-18, the ethnic identity is STILL separate but through Jesus both have access to the Father by one Spirit (Eph 2:18). So Paul is BOTH Jew and Christian to be distinguished with Jews who don't want to be united with Christ, where they remain ethnic Jew practicing whatever "denomination" they belong to (Pharisee, Essenes, etc.). | |
| May 30 at 18:23 | comment | added | Mithridates the Great | Even Paul’s preaching among the ethnically Jews was more geared towards “Hellenized Jews” in constrast to more conservative “Hebrew Jews”. | |
| May 30 at 18:19 | comment | added | Mithridates the Great | I like this answer because it tries to approach the question in a more methodological way. One question comes to mind is that if Paul wanted to present the new Christianity movement as a legal religion within the Roman Empire, did it make sense for him to put more efforts into convincing ethnically Jewish communities to be onboard with his teachings? I mean I see that his approach more like as much as possible avoiding conflict with the temple leaders but the actual preaching happens in Asia minor and Hellenized world. If he was able to convince mainstream Jewish sects, wasn’t it much easier? | |
| May 30 at 17:51 | history | answered | Hold To The Rod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |