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May
29
comment Was Christ the man created?
@Affable I'm certainly not saying that I think man can become God! I don't disagree with anything in your last post. Ah well, it was just an abstract comment, i don't want to argue it because i don't think it leads anywhere.
May
29
comment What are the 4 evangelists' inconsistencies saying about level of accuracy in NT?
My point about quotes and ellipses is that we do not know if the Gospel writers were quoting Jesus word-for-word or paraphrasing what he said, and likewise we do not know if Jesus was quoting Deuteronomy word-for-word or paraphrasing. If either is paraphrasing, then differences in wording, as long as they do not change the meaning, are not a misquote, but simply the nature of paraphrasing. My point about leaving out "Her O Israel" is that it is not a misquote, even by the most strict of literal standards, to not quote the sentence preceding the one that you quote. You have to start somewhere.
May
29
comment Which God do Muslims pray to according to Catholic, Orthodox and main-stream Protestant tradition?
@TRiG Sure. Suppose you're trying to identify a person. If you mis-spell his name but describe him correctly, give his correct occupation, etc, then anyone who knows him would likely still know who you're talking about. Say you also get his address wrong. And you say he's 6'2" and has black hair when he's really 5'4" and blond. At some point your description is far enough off that we'd be unsure if you're talking about the same person. Further still and we'd say no, he has a similar name but that's not him.
May
27
answered Which God do Muslims pray to according to Catholic, Orthodox and main-stream Protestant tradition?
May
26
comment Does a Christian have a responsibility to participate in government?
... The Spanish Inquisition killed 3000 to 4000 people over the course of 350+ years. That's horrible, of course, but Stalin would have been disappointed if a DAY went by in which he killed only 4000 people. No murders that can be pinned on a religious group begin to compare with what governments have done. The Ku Klux Klan killed about 1500 people. Amateurs.
May
26
comment Does a Christian have a responsibility to participate in government?
@Marc Well, we're off on a tangent here. But have governments ever done any good? Of course. But they've also done a lot of evil. Hitler's government killed about 25 million people. Stalin's killed 22 million. Mao's killed 50 million. Pol Pot's killed 2 million. (Which doesn't sound like as good a score as the others, but remember he only had 8 million to start with, as a percentage of a nation's population I think he's #1.) I don't know of any force in the world that has committed as many murders as governments. I don't have statistics for organized crime but I doubt it comes close. ...
May
26
comment Was Christ the man created?
@Affable A creature can't be 100% dog and 100% cat because they are genetically different. Perhaps one could create a hybrid that would be 50% dog and 50% cat, but dogs and cats are mutually contradictory so you can't be all of each. But "American" and "father" are not mutually contradictory: they are different, unrelated attributes. If Christ was both God and man in that sense, then there's no paradox. I don't think that's dualism.
May
26
comment Are Christians bound to the laws of their country?
@Marc Hmm. If someone says, "I support laws limiting emissions from power plants because I am an environmentalist," is that an environmentalist position, or a personal position? Is it necessary for all the environmentalists in the world to agree about this particular law for it to be legitimate to call it an "environmentalist position"?
May
26
comment Does a Christian have a responsibility to participate in government?
@Marc Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot ... yes, government has been a huge source of evil in the world.
May
25
comment Was Christ the man created?
I think the fully God/fully man is much less a paradox than many people make out. I am 100% American and 100% a father. I am 100% a Christian and 100% a college graduate. Etc. There is nothing amazing about this as long as the attributes are not contradictory. Of course we generally think of being God and being man as being incompatible, but that's the point: in Jesus case, it wasn't.
May
25
comment Why didn't Jesus allow demons to say he was God?
I've often wondered about this point myself. Good answer, I think you're probably right.
May
25
answered What are the 4 evangelists' inconsistencies saying about level of accuracy in NT?
May
25
answered Does a Christian have a responsibility to participate in government?
May
25
comment Are Christians bound to the laws of their country?
... To say that a small elite of government officials can make laws and Christians aren't allowed to object unless we have 100% unanimity, well, I just don't see any basis for that. In any case, I think that each person is responsible for his own actions. Immoral and unjust acts are not made good and just because a majority approved of them, nor is right made wrong because the majority were afraid to take a stand.
May
25
comment Are Christians bound to the laws of their country?
@Marc There are, of course, difficult and hazy cases. But there are very clear cases. An easy example is someone living in Nazi Germany faced with laws requiring him to turn in Jews so they could be shipped off to death camps: Surely defying such a law is the good and right thing to do. To take a ridiculous opposite extreme, if someone assassinated the president because he used a vulgar word in a speech, I'd say that is out of proportion to the offense. To say there is no single official Christian view ... so what? Governments pass laws even though 100% of the people don't agree. ...
May
25
comment Are Christians bound to the laws of their country?
... It surely depends on the details of the circumstances. What is the nature of the law? What will happen? If Moses had defied Pharoah's oppression of the Jews and then quietly accepted Pharoah's judgement, the likely result is that he would have been thrown in prison or killed and the Jews would have remained slaves. If Daniel had prayed in secret, he could have escaped punishment but would have had no impact on the nation. I think we have to use wisdom and intelligence and examine each case.
May
25
comment Are Christians bound to the laws of their country?
@Caleb In some cases in the Bible, like Daniel and Shadrach & Friends, believers disobeyed an immoral law, made no secret of their disobedience, and submitted to the legal penalties. In other cases, like Moses, they openly rebelled against the authorities. In yet others, like Ehud, they acted in secret. (In some cases we could debate whether the Bible is approving of their actions or simply reporting what happenned.) So I don't think there's a simple answer: When faced with an immoral or unjust law, the Christian should always do X, Y, and Z. ...
May
25
comment Is there a biblical basis/justification for requiring a pastor be educated?
My previous post was supposed to say "does NOT REQUIRE". Leaving out a "not" rather changes the meaning of the sentence.
May
23
answered Are Christians bound to the laws of their country?
May
23
comment Does the Bible support slavery and (White) Superiority in the context of American Slavery?
@TRiG I don't see where the page that you cite says that Wilberforce opposed abolition, nor am I aware of any other source saying such a thing. Yes, Wilberforce first step was to end the slave trade, as opposed to freeing existing slaves. I don't claim to be an expert on Wilberforce, but I always assumed that was a tactical decision: the slave owners were too politically powerful for him to defeat them in one blow. He had to work up to it in steps.