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Jul
10
comment How is modern day Christian morality reconciled with the morality of the Bible?
... that people at different times and places have agreed or disagreed with the Bible on different points say anything about the Bible itself? Take any statement Plato made about morals or culture or politics or whatever. Some people today would agree with it and some would not. Of itself that tells us pretty much nothing about Plato. All it tells us is the opinions of the people under discussion.
Jul
10
comment How is modern day Christian morality reconciled with the morality of the Bible?
RE change: It is, I think, pretty obviously true that people at various times and places have espoused different moral codes. Less than people who make a big deal of this claim, I think: you'd be hard-pressed to find many societies that say that stealing, killing, adultery, etc, are okay. You do find that people make different special cases and excuses, but the general idea is still there. But all that said, so what? The Bible hasn't changed. Nothing miraculous about that; you could say the same of any very old book. So maybe I'm missing your whole point here. How does the fact ...
Jul
10
comment How is modern day Christian morality reconciled with the morality of the Bible?
... is economic. You said that.
Jul
10
comment How is modern day Christian morality reconciled with the morality of the Bible?
Maybe we're exhausting this topic, but: (b) One place in the Bible puts a lower MONETARY value on the work of one human being than of another. But nowhere does the Bible say that a person's value as a human being is equal to their contribution to the economy. You're arguing in a circle here: If we define the value of a human being as the dollar value of the goods they can produce, then when the Bible says that different people make different econmic contributions, it is saying that some human beings are less valuable than others. But nowhere does the Bible say that a person's only value ...
Jul
6
comment Why do Christians need to promote their religion to non-believers?
Hmm, Mr Black didn't say that all non-believers are drug users. He said that there are cases where a person could be happy with their present situation even though it is, in fact, ultimately harmful, LIKE someone using drugs. Whether or not this applies to the non-Christian is of course a subject of much debate. But he is replying to the argument that Christians should "leave people alone" if they are content with their present beliefs. Thinking you're doing fine and actually doing fine are not necessarily the same thing.
Jul
6
comment Why do Christians need to promote their religion to non-believers?
The analogy doesn't have to be that strained. There are plenty of dangers in the world that are not immediately obvious. Like, what if I see you about to take a drink from a bottle that I believe to contain poison? Unless you happen to be carrying a chemistry lab with you, you can't prove me right or wrong. Maybe I'm not sure myself. Maybe I'm just passing on what someone else told me. Regardless of all that, my MOTIVE for telling you is to protect you from harm. Even if it turns out that I'm wrong and the drink is harmless, my motive was still good.
Jul
6
comment Why do Christians need to promote their religion to non-believers?
@Yeodave Okay, so you have no problem with offending both Christians AND UFO enthusiasts. Why is it okay for you to offend all these groups by sharing your ideas and theories, but it is not okay for Christians to offend atheists by sharing their ideas and theories?
Jul
6
comment How is modern day Christian morality reconciled with the morality of the Bible?
Your first comment appears to contradict point (c) in your second comment. You concede that your moral theories are not provably "right" while those who disagree with you are therefore wrong. But then you assert that when you disagree with the Bible, you must be right and the Bible wrong.
Jul
6
comment How is modern day Christian morality reconciled with the morality of the Bible?
(a) We'd have to go through them point by point. (b) Where does the Bible say that mentally retarded people are less valuable as human beings? Where does the Bible value people by how much work they can do? Please cite these verses. (c) How so? You disagree with the Bible on questions not subject to empirical verification, like moral issues. By what standard do you say that you are right and the Bible is wrong?
Jul
5
answered What is the Biblical support for the concept of 'balance' between 'two extremes'?
Jul
5
comment What is the Biblical support for the concept of 'balance' between 'two extremes'?
Excellent point about drinking. I've often thought of this as an example of moderation, but I think you make a case that it is not. It is a bright line prohibition.
Jul
5
comment What is the Biblical support for the concept of 'balance' between 'two extremes'?
@Greg But are evil people evil because they are taking something to an extreme that they should be doing in moderation, or are they evil because they are doing something that they shouldn't have done at all?
Jul
5
answered How is modern day Christian morality reconciled with the morality of the Bible?
Jul
5
answered How do we argue when someone posits a non-causal universe
Jul
5
comment How many kinds of Catholics are there?
When you ask about "breakaway churches", etc, you are talking about a very different thing than "institutions within the main church". There's a big difference between a sub-group created for administrative purposes and a dissident group. Like, to the best of my knowledge the Jesuits and the Franciscans are not opposing the pope or any official church teaching. They're more like the Catholic equivalent of a corporation creating a new department or a task force.
Jul
5
comment Where are Gog and Magog located?
@Jas3.1 What a curious objection. RE "Yahoo searches" See my reply to Ignatius. Or do you mean that you think it is cheating to do any research before posting an answer? As to my admission that I am not expert, surely most of the posts on this site are by people who have not spent their lives studying the particular question. I posted what I knew with a frank admission of the limitations of my knowledge. Do you only make posts here on subjects on which you are a recognized international expert?
Jul
5
comment Where are Gog and Magog located?
@Ignatius Umm, why is it illegitmate to use Yahoo to search for information on the Internet? If you don't believe that it is possible to find useful information on a web site, why are you visiting this one? I rather thought one of the big values of the Internet was that it made it possible to store vast amounts of information from many sources and people can access it through search engines.
Jul
5
comment How did all the animals fit into Noah's ark?
No, no one so authoritative. Sorry, I edited that answer along the way to cite Woodmorape rather than myself. My relevant book is, "No Errors in My Bible, Sorry About Yours".
Jun
29
comment Old testament accuracy of God's Word
RE God speaking to people: Sure, it's possible there were prophets during Bible times who are not mentioned in the Bible. But by the same reasoning, it's possible that there were prophets in more recent times. Perhaps there are prophets in the world today.
Jun
29
answered Where are Gog and Magog located?