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comment Take away the gospels, and how do we know that Jesus did what he was recorded to have done in terms of miracles?
I'll add one of the most significant parables of the bible, describing the "fall"; that of course, is the story of the prodigal son. And so, as long as "people" (children of *** GOD ***) are sick and dying, they already are in "hell". Meaning, they are already in the other state of the two possible states. Unfortunately, main stream religion has greatly misrepresented that; but that's a whole other story, one I'll share if someone posts a question and I figure out how to see it.
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comment Take away the gospels, and how do we know that Jesus did what he was recorded to have done in terms of miracles?
And I'm not talking "resurrection" here. To me that simply means, it is not natural for God's son/daughter to die, which Jesus then needed to demonstrate; that there was a way "out of here that isn't via the grave". I'm aware too of the scripture, "it is appointed once for man to die, ...". But the thing is, everyone is dead (they just don't know it). Meaning, they are separated from what they are as God's Son/Daughter. Surely, God (Father) is not sick and dying, and surely we are made in that image and likeness. Which too, unfortunately far too many don't think about - what that means.
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comment Take away the gospels, and how do we know that Jesus did what he was recorded to have done in terms of miracles?
Ah, thanks. So how much time in years would you then say passed between the events and the recordings? I think my original notion or memory of 2-3 "hundred years" was really an assumption of 2 -3 generations, but I'm not sure how long people lived at that time, or the dates. So, I'm glad folks are chiming in and helping to identify that: was it not recorded at the time, was it passed down through several generations; OR, more alarmingly, ... Hence, the need for the other question/investig on what all exists, to prove that this physical transcendence actually happened, and wasn't made up.
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comment Take away the gospels, and how do we know that Jesus did what he was recorded to have done in terms of miracles?
Given 1) the amazing amount of detail in it, 2) the spectacular events demonstrated, and 3) the very little demonstration most anyone has had since, even though many have heavily devoted their lives to it, and the "pointer", "greater works than these shall you do". I.e. the indication of non-specialness in the ability to heal and transcend physicality (which ought to be as natural as anything, for the 'children' of God). Meaning, it is highly skeptical: again, why not recorded at the time, how so amazingly detailed, why so little "greater works" following on what ought to be natural for us.
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comment Take away the gospels, and how do we know that Jesus did what he was recorded to have done in terms of miracles?
Thanks for your reply Caleb. Both I think (will need a separate question). If the gospels are indeed dated "late century A.D." as Mason indicates, then it would appear 2 legitimate questions arise: 1) why weren't they recorded much earlier, given the significance of the events, 2) how many "generations" was the information passed through? Related then, given there is much quoting and detail in the gospels, how reliably can information be conveyed this way (of course today we would not put very little credence of information passed on this way), (see next comment)
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comment Take away the gospels, and how do we know that Jesus did what he was recorded to have done in terms of miracles?
Thanks for your comment, will digest and investigate. Quick question, did Jesus die at "zero After Death"? It appears the whole BC / AD thing is confusing/incorrect, discounting the 30 or 33 years of his stay on the planet? I.e. it seems B.C. should before his birth, and 0 AD should be just after his death.
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comment How long did it take to form the Bible?
Nathan, do you know when the gospels were recorded?
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comment Writing / recording capabilities around Jesus's time
Thanks Mason. Sounds good.
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comment Writing / recording capabilities around Jesus's time
Thanks. Do you know if any of these writings (or others) make account of Jesus's teaching and works? Is there anything for that closer to Jesus's time, or did it all come several hundred years later, around 200 - 300 A.D. (from my very limited understanding, may be wrong on that date range).
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