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Student at the University of Southampton and Software Developer.

I like using Objective-C to write apps for OS X and iOS, and a range of languages and frameworks for the web.


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accepted How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
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comment How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
the fact that we have undecidable problems within the universe would, I think, require the universe to also be undecidable.
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comment How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
Ok, bad wording, it is more that it relies on data about previous actions you have taken. It's like an author writing a book about himself writing a book about himself writing a book about him... etc.
Apr
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comment How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
the original question is 'can these issues be reconciled with God being all powerful and all knowing', and it seems they can't. If God needs to act in the universe as he has done throughout history according to the bible, this problem arises.
Apr
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comment How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
God intervenes in happenings a lot. If he didn't it would be deism. Just Jesus visiting a desert, or God killing everyone except one family, or turning women into salt, etc, are examples of God intervening.
Apr
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comment How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
I would disagree, I think this can, with some proper consideration, actually happen entirely concurrently. I would also say that free will means the ability to do what you want. If you can't do that, or if God in any way pre-determines it, you don't have free will.
Apr
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comment How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
The halting problem was actually given for a purely hypothetical machine that is in fact more powerful than anything we can construct due to unlimited memory.
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comment How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
@JoshuaDrake I see your point, but when I think through the process of knowing what would happen it relies on 'previous data', which creates the self reference.
Apr
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comment How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
Ok, fair enough. In that case we don't have free will.
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comment How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
Sorry, I'm not sure I entirely understand what you are saying.
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comment How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
God is outside of time and therefore already knows what will happen, no predictive ability is necessary, but after a change has been made, he must 'evaluate' or work out what that change causes and see if he will make another change. You could instead say that if he wants to make a change he must 'predict' or work out what will happen as a result, and that in itself may require him to consider his own actions. - As I said, this wouldn't always cause infinite self reference, but it will do in some cases.
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comment How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
4. Now this is a really interesting point, and the sort of answer I was hoping to get. I haven't seen this before and so I will read up on it and get back to you!
Apr
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comment How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
3. He must evaluate the outcome in order to determine what actions he would take on the new state of the universe. I think this is exactly the problem of the 'oracles' in the article I linked to.
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comment How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
2. This is correct, most problems can be analysed, and leads me back to the previous comment.
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comment How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
In response to the first point: you only need one conceivable input, which we can show must exist, for the idea to hold.
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comment How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
@MarcGravell I see what you are getting at, and I don't doubt your understanding of it, I should probably have read the answer more thoroughly. However despite the analogy being poor, I think the comparison still holds.
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comment How can the logical impossibility of infinite self reference be reconciled in the case of God?
I believe the laws of logic to exist on a far higher level than human understanding. We did not invent them, we discovered them and as I have said several times now, if God does not conform to them, all discussion on the topic of God is pointless.
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