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Orthodox Christian, g33k, ham radio operator, musician, etc. This profile does not reflect my real age ;)


Apr
8
comment Did Paul actually know anything about the life of Jesus?
Do keep in mind some chronological issues between Paul and Luke's accounts of this same time period in Paul's life. See also these discrepancies.
Apr
4
comment Does the Holy Spirit's procession from the Father and Son infringe on the co-equality of the Trinity?
I'm Eastern Orthodox and a former Protestant, FYI. I know the feeling.
Mar
29
comment Can you give air-kisses to icons in the Eastern Orthodox church instead of physical kisses?
@Anonymous I would be surprised if any references existed for this. It concerns practice that likely is not addressed in any official statements.
Mar
28
comment Can you give air-kisses to icons in the Eastern Orthodox church instead of physical kisses?
We have some ladies who just Windex the icons framed in glass after the service to clean off the lipstick. Most folks do actually kiss them, but some also air-kiss, too. No one minds which is done in most cases, and I've done both.
Mar
21
comment What are the primary differences and implications of a propitiatory view of the atonement versus an expiatory view?
Nope, I'm open to answers from other perspectives also, hence why I awarded the bounty. @svidgen did a great job
Mar
21
comment What are the primary differences and implications of a propitiatory view of the atonement versus an expiatory view?
I agree that they're trying to describe the same ineffable reality. However, the explanation has shifted significantly since the 11th century, and often Chrysostom is read through 21st century eyes and much is eisegeted into his context that wasn't there. We can use the same words and mean different things entirely. I'm hoping an answer addresses that from a historical perspective. I need to create a ecclesiastical-history tag to show I want a breadth of perspective from history :P But your answer is very good and an interesting perspective. I hope to see even more perspectives also.
Mar
21
comment What are the primary differences and implications of a propitiatory view of the atonement versus an expiatory view?
But I won't hold anyone to that. I've already read a great book on it. I was hoping to hear a different perspective, and you and Mike have both provided those, which is great.
Mar
21
comment What are the primary differences and implications of a propitiatory view of the atonement versus an expiatory view?
@svidgen I was hoping for an answer to address the underlying philosophical issues like Necessity (ἀνάγκη), the fact that much of Western soteriological ideology doesn't appear in the Church until the 11th century (esp. satisfaction theories), and the differences between the two views if taken alone. I don't think it's as simple as 'softening up' - I think it has changed a lot over the past 1000+ years because of the influence of Greek philosophy in the West.
Mar
21
comment What are the primary differences and implications of a propitiatory view of the atonement versus an expiatory view?
@svidgen very interesting. Your answer essentially makes the point that they are complementary and cites some excellent sources for saying so. I was hoping for sources covering a broader time frame in Church history and explaining the implications of each more (and explaining each of them, your answer assumes the reader already knows what each is and the implications of each), but your answer is very good and has earned my upvote and bounty.
Mar
21
comment What are the primary differences and implications of a propitiatory view of the atonement versus an expiatory view?
@svidgen I'd love to hear that perspective as well - within the next 6 hours preferably :P
Mar
21
comment What are the primary differences and implications of a propitiatory view of the atonement versus an expiatory view?
@svidgen I'm Eastern Orthodox (but a former Protestant) and from my experience, Western Christians view salvation more as propitation and Eastern more as expiation. For a more detailed response, see my answer here. I'm open to any explanation of propitiation in contrast to expiation, however - it's just that the Western paradigms of expiation still tend to be propitiatory because they accept original/inherited guilt and the Necessity for divine justice to be satisfied as givens, which a pure expiatory perspective often doesn't believe.
Mar
19
comment Do Eastern Orthodoxy or Roman Catholicism say anything about the Lutheran idea of the communication of attributes?
Not this month, I won't. But after mid-April I should have a few months of breathing room again.
Mar
18
comment What “new-to-protestants” things has the Eastern Orthodox Church acquired with time?
@caseyr547 yes, that is an improvement.
Mar
18
comment What “new-to-protestants” things has the Eastern Orthodox Church acquired with time?
@caseyr547 there's a difference between being misunderstood because of advanced spiritual topics versus being poorly written/communicated. This post falls in the latter category.
Mar
18
comment What “new-to-protestants” things has the Eastern Orthodox Church acquired with time?
@curiousdannii sure, but keep in mind this is about Eastern Orthodoxy, so they should be approached as taught and confessed by the Orthodox, not by Roman Catholics. The underlying beliefs are very different. A good answer must understand this. I'm big on sources. Lots of them. And good ones (i.e. not regurgitating Wikipedia).
Mar
18
comment What are the primary differences and implications of a propitiatory view of the atonement versus an expiatory view?
@curiousdannii the term/label 'liberal' isn't very helpful and is generally pejorative. I'd like each position explained on its own merits. If one position is critiqued in the answer, the other should receive equal critique (cf. the ultimate sentence in my bounty).
Mar
16
comment What “new-to-protestants” things has the Eastern Orthodox Church acquired with time?
But at minimum, the OP should cite some sources making a case that this practice indeed didn't exist in the early Church (or that Protestants don't believe it did) and sources showing that Protestants consider the practice to be novel. Anyone can make unsupported assertions. I'll award the bounty to an answer that supports its claims and shows some research effort. This answer could be typed in a couple minutes (or less) and shows little effort.
Mar
16
comment What “new-to-protestants” things has the Eastern Orthodox Church acquired with time?
@brilliant yes but it provides no sources, doesn't elaborate on any of its assertions, and doesn't fully answer the question. Something like this would be better to leave unaccepted IMHO. But you are the OP so you are free to accept whatever you wish.
Mar
10
comment Is Lutheran confession necessary for salvation?
it is definitely on my list of things to do, but I've got too much on my plate right now
Mar
10
comment Is it a sin to allow oneself to become fat in the absence of medical conditions?
This question appears to be off-topic because it is a truth question ("Is X a sin?")