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I don't know how much weight should be put on this reference, but it does give different information: It may come as a surprise but the doctrine of the Rapture is not mentioned in any Christian writings, of which we have knowledge, until after the year 1830 C.E. Whether the early writers were Greek or Latin, Armenian or Coptic, Syrian or Ethiopian, ...


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The difficulty in verifying the math and the calculations is that every prognostication has its own formula. In order to verify Harold Camping, for instance, you have to look at the passages he is pulling from. For example, here is one (and I don't endorse it) showing how they arrive at their numbers. Probably the most important calculations revolve ...


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Looking at the passage you quoted, it seems pretty clear that there are two resurrections. The first resurrection is the resurrection of the righteous, while "the rest of the dead (the wicked) did not come to life until the thousand years were ended." It doesn't look to me like it's saying anything about the Rapture; merely that those who were righteous in ...


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As dleyva3 mentioned, the term comes from 1 Thessalonians 4:17. Our word "rapture" comes from the Latin word for "caught up". The doctrine that faithful Christians would be whisked away to be spared tribulation is a relatively new interpretation of that verse. The traditional Christian belief was that Jesus would return once, to bring judgment. At his ...


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It's a combination of a couple of things. First, there's a passage in Matthew 24:38-41: For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the ...


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There's also Matthew 24:40-42 Two men will be out in the field; one will be taken, and one will be left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken, and one will be left. Therefore, stay awake! For you do not know on which day your Lord will come. and it's friend Luke 17:34-35 I tell you, on that night there will be two people in ...


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Catholicism is incompatible with the Rapture because the Church has taught for many centuries before people started envisioning folks disappearing mid-sentence that there would be a Final Judgement where everyone would see their sins and their effects. I don't think 1 Thessalonians 4:17 speaks to the Final Judgement on account of the fact that St. Paul says ...


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I know I should probably reference these, but I'm going to appeal to common knowledge Before answering, I just want to re-emphasize two central teachings that are common to the vast majority of Christianity: It's safe to say that almost every denomination, and almost every major division within Christianity agrees that God does not and cannot lie. I'm ...


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To be honest, I don't have a good answer for why Jesus doesn't mention the Rapture in His Matthew 24 discourse. However, I don't think that this disproves a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, and many other passages support it. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 (KJV) 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of ...


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The following statement is directed specifically to Adam as only Adam technically came from dust! We of course as the offspring of Adam are affected relationally. However, this statement would not be substantial enough to impose death or the "returning to dust" upon every member of humanity. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you ...


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This is the LCMS answer to questions concerning the Rapture: The short answer is: On the Last Day. When is the Last Day? We don't know. The last day will come "like a thief in the night," bringing destruction to unbelievers but salvation to believers (1 Thess. 5:1 - 10). Q: Does The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod believe in the rapture? A: The ...


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Abstract The idea that the saved go to heaven when they die is somewhat anachronistic. Equally anachronistic is the idea that people will be "raptured" into heaven when Jesus returns. Paul had another meaning in mind when he wrote this verse. N. T. Wright explains in Surprised By Hope: The word parousia occurs in two of the key passages [concerning ...


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I think to answer your question we have to address some foundational items of Christianity. First Christianity is a religion based on being saved by grace. Nothing done by you will warrant salvation for your soul. (Romans 3:23 (No one is good enough), Romans 6:23 (God gives us the gift of salvation), Ephesians 2:8 (Grace saved us)) It seems that the ...


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This one line "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather." is parable. This would be the equivalent of saying, "Where there's smoke, there's fire." Long answer: Where, Lord? The question that Jesus is responding to is also a bit confusing (particularly given our modern understanding of the rapture). However, the question of "Where, ...


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Good questions I think we can glean two questions here what is globalization and 2 - is it the mark of the beast The Bible says "Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of ...


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In addition to Rick's great answer, I would like to add that there are many exceptions to the rule of "dying once". People who never died: Enoch and Elijah. People who died more than once: Lazarus, an unnamed man and Eutychus, amongst many others.


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The "dead in Christ" (οἱ νεκροὶ ἐν Χριστῷ) refers to "those who are asleep" (τοὺς κοιμηθέντας; cp. 1 Thes. 4:14). Meaning, the dead bodies of Christian believers. The souls of the dead Christian believers do indeed go to heaven (or "Paradise") upon death (cp. Phil. 1:23; 2 Cor. 5:8; Luke 23:43). When the Messiah returns, the souls of dead believers will ...


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The rapture itself is not described in the Revelation, and for that reason there are three common conceptions as to when it will occur, of which I am sure you are aware. There are however some hints we can use to form our own opinion as to when it will occur in Revelation. As I'm sure you are aware the rapture is a concept formed from being caught up into ...


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God makes it pretty clear in verse 2 what the trumpet commands are for: Numbers 10:1-2 ESV The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Make two silver trumpets. Of hammered work you shall make them, and you shall use them for summoning the congregation and for breaking camp." Now, you could say that this passage (or any passage) has some sort of hidden meaning, ...


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The idea of the rapture is taken from many scriptures in the Bible, but the term "rapture" is from 1 Thes. 4:17. The phrase "caught up" in latin is rapiemur. It means "seized" or "taken." See also the words of Jesus: For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe ...


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The first mention of an "escape" event outside of the scripture (according to my studies) is The Shepherd of Hermes. The following is an excerpt from my book, The Partial Rapture "Theory" Explained / Escaping The Coming Storm. The Shepherd of Hermes is one such ancient document. We will acknowledge first that much of what is recorded in these texts does ...


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While the doctrine may have not been created until the 17th century, the idea came about probably quite shortly after Revelations was first created. The idea comes directly from a literal interpretation of Revelations. Revelations 20:4-6 NIV 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those ...


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The general point is that there are different ways to try to figure it out. There are generally two assumptions made (three if you count the elephant in the closet of being able to calculate at all) and these are: The scriptures provide in some fashion a calculable total of time units at the end of which is a particular eschatological event such as 'the ...


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Revelation 6-8 follows closely the timeline Jesus gave in Matthew 24 on the end-times events and His return. Based on the parallel events, where the Bible interprets itself, we can tell at which point deliverance comes for God's elect (the rapture): Mt 24:5, Rv 6:1-2 -- Mt: False Christs; Rv: First seal (false savior on white horse). Mt 24:6, Rv 6:3-4 -- ...


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When I was a pre-tribber I learned that the rapture was indicated at Rev 4:1, as is taught at this site. http://ldolphin.org/kingdom/ch4.html There are other views now, which are discussed on this paper. http://www.tms.edu/tmsj/tmsj13h.pdf Personally I don't believe the rapture is taught in Revelation, or even in the whole Bible. A close comparison of 1 ...


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The Bible is very Specific in that there are two deaths, and you seem to be confusing the two. The 1st death as I refer to it is physical death or in your question where the body turns to dust. Any Christian who has not physically died at second coming of Christ will meet him in the air. The operative word here is Christian, in becoming a Christian we are ...


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Jesus Christ said that he will come back in the generation of his disciples (Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21). I wrote the details about it here (check my post). How will Jesus be recognized at the time of "Second Coming"? We have now access to the kingdom of God after we die. After we die, we will be like angels in heaven exactly like Jesus taught ...


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When taken in full context, I believe the answer becomes a little more clear. "For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those ...


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It is good to consider "all things" and to "make sure of all things. THere is no condemnation in CHrist oyu are free form it. It does not mean you will not have questions or doubts about some things time to time. As for Our Saviour he cannot lie


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Be careful to distinguish between the Rapture and the resurrections. There will be two resurrections, of the just and the unjust: John 5:28-29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done ...



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