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I was reading the Last Supper passage in Luke the other day and came across this verse:

Luke 22:30 (KJV) 30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Jesus tells the 12 disciples that they will judge the 12 tribes of Israel. Since I assume Judas Iscariot will not have this privilege, who will judge the 12th tribe of Israel?

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How do you know that Judas wasn't forgiven? – Affable Geek May 4 '12 at 2:34
I'm voting to close this, as different groups of Christians disagree: some say Matthias, some say Paul. Without scoping, this is a truth question. – Nathaniel Oct 27 '15 at 16:01
Possible duplicate of Who was the 12th Apostle - Matthias or Paul? – Mr. Bultitude Oct 27 '15 at 17:55

Why are you assuming a one to one correspondence? The Greek here says "y'all" will judge them. The idea is that collectively you will bear witness against all of Israel.

In Greek, the verse is:

ἵνα ἔσθητε καὶ πίνητε ἐπὶ τῆς τραπέζης μου ἐν τῇ βασιλείᾳ μου, * καὶ καθήσεσθε ἐπὶ θρόνων τὰς δώδεκα φυλὰς κρίνοντες τοῦ Ἰσραήλ.

κρίνοντες is a verb (to judge - from which we get 'criminal') which is in the 2nd person plural, meaning that "You" is "y'all" (aka plural) and not singular.

If you need a one to one correspondence, take your pick between Matthais or (my personal bet as the real 12th apostle) Paul. But there's no reason too.

One person can judge multiple people, and multiple people can judge one.

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Good point about the "y'all". – LoveTheFaith May 4 '12 at 2:38
Good point. I guess because Christ says "twelve tribes of Israel" instead of just "Israel" I always assumed each would be assigned to a tribe. – Brian Koser May 4 '12 at 13:55
I don't quite understand how this "general-y'all" assertion goes along with Mat.19:28 where it says explicitly "... you shall sit upon twelve thrones judging twelve tribes of Israel". – brilliant May 5 '12 at 1:49

Assuming Affable Geek is right about the Greek, then that would largely explain it. One thing about English, unlike ancient Greek (and many other languages, like Spanish which I know a lot of), is that in English, we use the same word for the second-person singular and second-person plural. In other words, we say "you" whether addressing one person or many. In Greek, it's clear what is being said (if it is you or y'all).

Regarding the apostleship, it is interesting that originally there were 12, and then one was replaced, but by 2, sort of; do you know what that sounds like? The 12 tribes of Israel! There were 12 sons of Israel, yet one of them, Joseph, gave his lot to his 2 sons. In reality, the "twelve" tribes are, for all intents and purposes, 13 (though they are considered twelve because each of Joseph's sons got half a share). Yet the Old and New Testaments consistently refer to the 12 tribes of Israel (except when discussing them in technical matters, because God can count, lol). This is complicated all the more by the fact that Revelation 7:8 refers to the tribe of Joseph, then refers to the tribe of Manasseh (one of Joseph's sons) who had a half-share in Jacob's blessing, and then leaves out Dan (one of Jacob's 12 sons) and Ephraim (Joseph's other son) completely! There are all kinds of theories as to why this is, but whatever the case, even the tribes themselves are treated with a great deal of fluidity, just like with the apostles.

With that said, as to where Paul and Matthias come into play with the judging of the 12 tribes, I'm not sure it is 100% clear; my guess would be that the 13 collectively judge the 12 tribes, which in itself is an idea not clearly described in the Bible, so that's just speculation on my part.

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+1 for connecting the "fluidity" of the 12 tribes with the 12 apostles; that's an interesting parallel I've never before seen. Also, welcome to Christianity.StackExchange! – Brian Koser May 5 '12 at 4:08

I think it will be Matthias who was chosen by the apostles to fill in the place of Judas right after the Lord's ascension in the very beginning of Acts. Number twelve was a vey important number for Jews, hence, it was the very first thing they did after the Lord commanded them to go to Jerusalem and await the infilling with the Holy Spirit.

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You may want reconsider Matthais' apostolic claim. Of the twelve apostles, he is the only one of which there no further church tradition. Additionally, he is chosen during that period inwhichthe disciples were told to wait. The fact that Paul calls himself the least of the Apostles, as one late born has a lot of merit for me it almost makes you wonder if Jesus personally picked him to relplace Judas – Affable Geek May 4 '12 at 10:16
@Affable Geek - You may want to reconsider Paul's own words, in which he states that he is the least of the Apostles: "And that He (Jesus) was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve ... After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time, for I am the least of the apostles..." (1 Cor. 15:5-9). Take a wild guess who is included among the twelve here mentioned by Paul. Obviously, he did not include himself in that number. Neither Judas was there. I wouldn't rely so much on the church tradition as on the Bible. – brilliant May 4 '12 at 11:31
You know, this would be an interesting question to raise - because I think there are good arguments on both sides... – Affable Geek May 4 '12 at 12:09

I can't say anyone but God knows that , but we all shall. However, I'm inclined to say I suspect it is Dismas,the good thief.

The apostles represented every walk of Jewish life, and it was their complete repentance, deserting all to follow Jesus, that makes their very existance a judgement on all who did not repent.

As such, Dismas was a thief who repented.

But maybe, then again, we're mistranslating "judge". Weren't the judges of the Old Testament biblical heroes through whom God wrought great deliverance? In that sense, the twelvth judge would have to be Paul.

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Welcome to the site! Is that a personal interpretation, or is there an established teaching to that effect? See the FAQ and… for guidelines for good answerrs. – David Mar 9 '13 at 3:26

I don't see why it could not be Judas. Granted, Jesus made this statement to the remaining 11 disciples after Judas had left the room. However, Judas expressed obvious remorse and regret over his betrayal of Jesus as he killed himself. Similarly, if 1 Peter 3:18-20 means Jesus in body or spirit did preach the gospel to those in Hades after His death, since Judas died before Jesus, if he had not repented before his death he would have had the chance to repent at that time. I agree, though, that we cannot know and won't until we see it in person.

For the record, I don't agree with Matthias but could see it being Paul. Or maybe just the 11 of "y'all" :)

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