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Why did many of his disciples not even know it?

Jesus asked "Who am I?" to a bunch of his disciples. Out of so many, only Peter got it close. That he is the Messiah, son of the living God.

Even that is still vague. Cyrus is also a messiah. Judaism tends to think that God considers humans his children. http://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/PW/k/187/Cyrus-Gods-Anointed.htm

I mean if believing that Jesus is God is that important, wouldn't Jesus like say that a million time? Wouldn't that be the first thing his disciples know?

Update: I need to add that I wrote a million time figuratively. I mean if it's that important, he would have stressed that more so that his disciples would at least got it right when he ask, "Who am I?". In fact, even after his death and resurrection, his disciples are still divided. We have gnostic, judaizer, arians, and trinitarian. Yea I know that "the rest" are heretic. I also know that most christians think that the trinitarian are the "true" follower of Jesus. But put your self in historian shoes here. Early jesus followers differ from jews only in whether they believe Jesus is a messiah or not.

13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[b] will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[c] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[d] loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.

He doesn't condemn those who think he's a prophet or Elia? He doesn't say, "Good job Peter. For the rest of you, you'd better answer that thing right because my dad would fry you in hell if you messed up." http://www.ancestralfindings.com/who/ . Even Peter doesn't say, "You're God, Homo Ousion, without the i". I mean if something is kind of important, shouldn't that be more explicit?

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The vows I made to my wife when I married her are important; but I only had to say them once. Repeating something doesn't make it more important, and not repeating something doesn't make it less important. –  Waggers Nov 15 '11 at 10:11
Are you only seeking viewpoints that reflect beliefs of the Church of the Great God denomination? –  Richard Nov 15 '11 at 15:56
I am looking at facts. Yes one way to know facts is to see what others actually believe and why. I noted that not all Jesus followers believe he is God. Atanasius is only one of many christian sects that happen to be the norm. The rest are slaughtered. –  Jim Thio Nov 16 '11 at 2:56
Jim you have the facts of the case wrong. I started to answer this by trying to set faacts straight, however quite honestly the tone of this question is sounding less and less like an honest attempt to learn about the facts and more like an agenda based rant. What do you want to do here? I'm willing to help organize this into a question the community isn't going to downvote into oblivion and maybe close, but you have to care and be willing to reconsider your preconceived ideas. Savvy? –  Caleb Nov 16 '11 at 8:45
I was the one that's wrong. Jesus ask what do people think I am. Not who do you think I am. So early answers are wrong. First answer is right by Peter. Why no body point that out? –  Jim Thio Nov 17 '11 at 6:19

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Actually he said it a lot. Enough to get himself killed for saying it. The Jews considered Jesus' statement that he was "the Christ, the Son of the living God" blasphemy, and Jesus' agreement with Peter's declaration is the reason they tried and executed him.

The disciples took a while to catch on, but not for lack of being told. Their dull, slow hearts took a lot of time to convince, and Jesus had a great deal to teach them before he stirred up the pot enough to end his ministry.

It is important to note, however, the disciples to a man eventually became so convinced their teacher Jesus was THE Christ that they devoted their lives to proclaiming that message. Most of them were also willing to die--and did--for the truth of it.

If anyone was in a position to know that Jesus was something less than what he claimed to be, his disciples would know, yet to a man (except for Judas) they went their separate ways proclaiming all over the world that Jesus was God and Lord.

Moreover, I suggest Jesus made his message so plain that after his resurrection the disciples were left with no doubts about who he was. Who dies for something they know is a lie?

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can you give more quotation. As we know messiah doesn't mean God. Jesus did say something along, "I and the father" is one. Maybe He worked for his Dad? That is still open to interpretation. Arian christians are actually quite numerous. So is judaizers. Not all early jesus' followers think he is God. Konstantine, for example, is babtised by an Arian and his son is an Arian. And there is enough Arians to tople Rome. Early judaizers (which we consider heretics) are also followers of Jesus. Then we got this messianic jews or whatever. –  Jim Thio Nov 15 '11 at 10:08
Also saying that his disciples are dumb and stubborn will lead to another problem. All we know about Jesus are mainly from his disciples. –  Jim Thio Nov 15 '11 at 10:16
Dull slow heart != dumb. In fact it's quite different. And knowing that they were slow to believe actually strengthens the weight of their testimony since they were not gullible fall for anything types. It also gives me hope for some other folks that come to mind... –  Caleb Nov 15 '11 at 10:23
Yes. I read that in wikipedia. Still God in what sense? In avatar sense? So many "senses" are declared heretic by church. –  Jim Thio Nov 17 '11 at 6:20
Perhaps son of God doesn't mean God. Jews call many things sons of God. –  Jim Thio Dec 14 '11 at 14:39

If Jesus had merely claimed to be God and done nothing else, people would protest His claim by asserting that He never did anything to prove His Deity.

What Jesus chose to do was to prove His Deity by what He did and said, and the result is that many people protest because He didn't specifically claim to be God often enough or clearly enough for them.

In reality, we really do not know how often Jesus claimed to be God, nor in how many ways. The gospel accounts do not record every word that Jesus ever spoke. Rather, the gospel writers chose to record certain things that were pertinent to the audience they targeted. So, perhaps Jesus claimed to be God very clearly and very often, but that just wasn't recorded in the gospel accounts. Again, we don't have an audio recording of everything Jesus ever said.

However, Jesus did certainly did demonstrate very clearly that He most certainly claimed to be the eternal Son of God.

He forgave sins, healed the sick, gave sight to the blind, walked on water, fed 5,000, raised the dead, demonstrated omniscience... the list goes on.

The gospel writers record that Peter was convinced that Jesus was the Son of God, and Jesus does not correct His conclusion. On the contrary, Jesus affirms it:

Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 16:16-17 ESV

The disciples were convinced that He was the Christ, the Son of the living God. In fact, John's whole point in writing his gospel was to convince others to believe that very thing. The approach he chose to use in order to convince people was to show what Jesus did and let the strength of that evidence convince the reader. In any court of law, a mere claim of something must be backed up by hard evidence. A person's claim of innocence is irrelevant if all the evidence leads to the contrary. Jesus' claim to Deity is attested to by a preponderance of evidence. In fact, even if Jesus never took the stand an made the claim to His Deity, He could still be found "guilty as charged" based on the abundant evidence.

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jesus never claimed to be god and neither did his disciples believe he was god. on the contrary, they believed he was the messiah the son of the god of their fathers.This was clearly illustrated in acts 5:30 where peter says that the god of their fathers, (ie the beign who spoke to abraham,isaac,jacob and moses through angels) raised jesus from the dead. This clearly shows that they knew that jesus was not the god of their fathers and that it was the god of their fathers who raised and glorified his servant jesus.

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Sorry. Jesus did claim to be God. Check out John. And the same Peter you quote in Acts 5 directly said, "You are the Christ, the son of the Living God." –  Affable Geek Sep 16 '13 at 15:24
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+1 . You are he christ, the son of the Living God does not equal You are God. Even claiming that one is one with God doesn't mean claiming that one is God. Kabalists also claim that Torah, Israel, and God are one. –  Jim Thio Sep 18 '13 at 10:12
@Jim Thio: -1. There may be some truth in what you say about the title "Messiah" not necessarily being equal to "God." When Jesus equated himself to the great I AM of Exodus 3:14 in John 8:59, however, the Jews "picked up stones to throw at Him." Why? Because they believed Jesus was guilty of blasphemy, a sin punishable by death (see Leviticus 24:16). By the way, at least 11 popular English versions of the Bible have Jesus saying "I AM," and not "I have been" (New World Translation) or "I existed" (New Living Translation). –  rhetorician Oct 8 '14 at 14:33

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