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Before we get to the nitty gritty of this question - let us all agree on one thing here: YES they are in the Bible. The question is WHERE did they originate?

Many will come to this question ready to tell me that demons are fallen angels per Revelation 12:9, but that cannot be because this event cannot have happened unless you can explain retconning the rest of Revelation, as the following chapter reveals the Beasts. We also must understand that, as possibly the most important prophecy and one inspired by Christ himself, that this event would be chronological and in order as to not confuse the reader. The goal was for us to understand, not be confused. This is not (or it shouldn't) depend on a denomination, since we all know the Lord is not the author of confusion.

Bringing up Revelation 1:19, a lot of people seem to disregard Revelation 4:1, which tells us the events following are events to happen. Therefor, the War in Heaven has not happened yet because it takes place during the Tribulation, and if I'm not mistaken, just before Christ's millennial reign as far as how it's written.

Now to the question - is there a biblical basis for the origin of demons?

The fall of the angels in Genesis can't be, because all life was destroyed by the Flood (and if you consider Enoch canonical as some do, they are bound until judgement).

We see throughout Scripture that these demons are evil spirits in Matthew 10:1, unclean spirits in Mark 1:27, and lying spirits in 1 Kings 22:23

The closest inkling, if at all, to their origin is in Ephesians 6:12, where Paul writes:

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

I've tried to find some sort of origin for demons, but have found nothing. I ask because (I feel) it is somewhat necessary to understand, and therefor identify, this evil.

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It's a mistake to get too definitive about Revelation being ALL in the future or ALL in the past. That the events "must be chronological" is your own interpretation. Many accept the Revelation passage as accounting for the origins of demons, despite your personal revelations. – DJClayworth Jul 8 '14 at 18:03
My belief so or not, if Revelation were meant to be read in a was/is/now format we would have been told so, but we weren't - so chronology is implied. The Gospel is chronological despite its not saying so, as is much if not all of the Bible to our general understanding, so why wouldn't the Revelation given by Jesus Christ himself follow that same formula? Again, 1 Corinthians 14:33 tells us God is not the author of confusion, but of peace. Whether many accept it as such or not, it is also important to note we were warned of the precepts of man and their result. – Jesse Jul 8 '14 at 18:11
The revelation of Jesus Christ is not, and was never intended to be Chronological. Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; by this Scripture we know that the book covers three areas. the things which John saw, the things which were (the past), and the things which shall be (the future). – BYE Jul 8 '14 at 18:35
@Jesse I'm not going to argue, just pointing out that most Christians don't agree with your interpretation of Revelation, so you are unlikely to get good answers here. – DJClayworth Jul 8 '14 at 18:52
Correct, however Revelation 4:1 tells us John is writing events to come, followed by the seals. Revelation is chronological, and the War in Heaven has not happened as it takes place after John is told "I will show you things which must be hereafter." in Rev 4:1. So again, that is not a valid argument because Scripture tells us it has not happened. – Jesse Jul 8 '14 at 18:53
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The answer to this can depend a lot on who you ask and how. The earliest beliefs in Satan were that Satan was part of God's celestial court, much like the angel of death, or the four horseman in Revelation perhaps. As we can see in the Book of Job, Satan (which means "accuser") is a kind of District Attorney of Heaven, bringing charges against the pious to test that their faith and devotion to God is true and deep and not just a consequence of a good and beneficent life.

However, there are loads of apocryphal works that deal with demons, angels, and the rest that were very influential on early Jews and Christians. One must also take into account the effects of Zoroastrianism on these religions, too. In Zoroastrian eschatology the One Supreme God has two spiritual "children" if you would, one that is wholly Good, Righteous, and Truthful, the Other completely Evil, Wicked, and Full of Lies. Without going into a long digression about this, some of these opinions manage to work their way into the understandings of the people of ancient Judaea, informing the idea of Satan as God's antagonist and ruler of Evil.

Many people during the time of Christ believed in the power of demons and Satan strongly. This is reflected in the sayings of Jesus in the Gospels, and also in the letters of Paul. Later interpreters, looking to find proof of Satan in the Scriptures, took many of the stories of the Kings and Princes of Babylon and Tyre as allegorical to Satan, and his fall. Apocryphal books like the Book(s) of Enoch extrapolated on the stories of the Nephilim in Genesis 6, as well as the eponymous prophet Enoch whom walked with God, to describe in detail the cosmic battles of the angels, etc.. There were manny other books like Enoch that circulated at this time, and they were all very popular. The Epistle of Jude quotes directly from the book of Enoch, too.

The history of the concept of Satan and its development throughout history is an amazing topic with a lot of importance to the modern world. Much of the development of Satan happened "behind the scenes" so to speak, but multiple lines of interest combined to form the later New Testament understanding of Satan as the Prince of Darkness.

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I like your answer, however the bulk of it deals with Satan and not the demons per say. I will read up some more on everything you've mentioned here, as I believe it will provide some useful insight. But again, my concern is the origin of the demons, and not Satan. I covered that in another question :) +1 though for sure. – Jesse Jul 8 '14 at 17:34
That is a very good point. I was basically working under the assumption that Satan, as the head of the demon hordes/demonic forces, was a good start, but you are absolutely right. The fact is, most individual demons have their own unique histories, each one quite interesting on its own accord. Many, like Lilith, had a history of their own before being tied in with the Bible sources. I do think that you will find ample information in your search, however, so I hope I helped point you in the right direction! – VinniePassion Jul 8 '14 at 19:05

Unfortunately there is no answer to your question, since the Bible begins with the creation of the heavens and the Earth. And the origin of Satan and his minions predates that event.

We are only left with clues such as the ones you have mentioned, and Jesus saying:

Luke 10:17 and 18 KJV And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Since this was Jesus response to their saying that devils (plural) were subject to them, it might be assumed that Jesus was considering all of those ejected from heaven as a unit with Satan the primary offender.

Other than that I am unaware of any other scriptures which would aid you in securing a definitive answer to your question.

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I appreciate the answer, however in another question I alluded to the possibility of Luke 10:17-18 being a prophecy. As the Son of God, the Messiah, Savior, and Lord in the Flesh - Jesus would have had knowledge of these events prior to their happening - or could half simply had a prophetic vision of it. Prophesying this does not contradict Revelation, as Jesus Himself said He does not know the hour, and Revelation does not reveal one. – Jesse Jul 8 '14 at 20:06
@Jesse as I said at the end of our exchanges on that last question. I will not debate in comments. – BYE Jul 8 '14 at 20:17
What evidence do you have that the origin of Satan and the other demons predates the creation of the universe? – curiousdannii Jul 9 '14 at 0:16
@curiousdannii As I said in my answer the Bible does not address the creation of the Angels, so we are left with only clues, but in reviewing all the clues, and if the Bible is true then the clues in Revelation plus the above quoted Scripture tells us that it had to come before the creation described in Genesis. That is my evidence and I'm sticking by it. – BYE Jul 9 '14 at 11:41
Then please edit your answer to list the clues. We're not mind readers! :) – curiousdannii Jul 9 '14 at 11:42

The war in heaven has already passed, Satan and his demons (fallen angels, a third to be exact) were cast out of heaven under Jesus' rule. They were also around in Noah's day when they took the women for themselves, those demons, or fallen Angels were chained until the day of judgement, which has not come yet.

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Also, @ Bye, the creation account in genesis is regarding the start of the physical heavens, earth, and physical life in general. The bible mentions that Jesus, by use of God's holy spirit, created all things. In other words, God gave Jesus the blueprint and Jesus carried out the work of creation, so he was also created before the genesis account, which can also mean he created the angelical family before he created the physical realm. – Angel Jul 16 '14 at 9:27

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