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Upon seeing certain statements in John Calvin and John Wesley's writings some have concluded that these men believed Jesus is Michael. What evidence is there to show that John Wesley and John Calvin did not believe that Jesus is Michael?

Here are a few references to what John Calvin and John Wesley say.

John Wesley

Daniel 10:13 Withstood me – God suffered the wicked counsels of Cambyses to take place awhile; but Daniel by his prayers, and the angel by his power, overcame him at last: and this very thing laid a foundation of the ruin of the Persian monarchies. Michael – Michael here is commonly supposed to mean Christ. I remained – To counter – work their designs against the people of God. Daniel 10:21 – Michael – Christ alone is the protector of his church, when all the princes of the earth desert or oppose it. source

Daniel 12:1 - For the children – The meaning seems to be, as after the death of Antiochus the Jews had some deliverance, so there will be yet a greater deliverance to the people of God, when Michael your prince, the Messiah shall appear for your salvation. source

John Calvin

"I embrace the opinion of those who refer this to the person of Christ, because it suits the subject best to represent him as standing forward for the defense of his elect people." --
J. Calvin, COMMENTARIES ON THE BOOK OF THE PROPHET DANIEL, trans. T. Myers (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1979), vol. 2 p. 369. source but found here

"Michael may mean an angel; but I embrace the opinion of those who refer this to the person of Christ because it suits the subject best to represent him as standing forward for the defense of his elect people....The angel...calls Michael the mighty prince. As if he had said, Michael should be the guardian and protector of the elect people"

(Calvin, Commentary on Daniel 12:1, Lecture 65). source but found here

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I'd like to see some evidence of the premise, I think. It seems highly unlikely to me that Wesley and Calvin believed what they're stated to believe here. – Andrew Leach Mar 2 '14 at 10:52
This question appears to be on a wrong premise, lest you give some evidence as suggested. – Seek forgiveness Mar 2 '14 at 11:25
Just gave a few references a short while ago and tell me what you think? – Tony Jays Mar 2 '14 at 11:31
Related (and suggests that Jesus is God and Michael): – Flimzy Mar 2 '14 at 16:51
@TonyJays: If you're asking what Wesley and Calvin believed, it seems like a fine question, but then the title ought to match that question. If you're asking if Jesus being Michael is a contradiction, that's a "Truth Question", which we close as "Primarily Opinion Based" – Flimzy Mar 4 '14 at 14:39
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I'm pretty sure Wesley and Calvin did not actually believe that Jesus is Michael. Those two quotations you gave only show that in the verses they referred to, Michael typifies Christ, just as in many other places. Ie. Jonah typified Christ, or "you may refer Jonah in his being in the belly of the fish for 3 days and 3 nights as the person of Christ, who died and was resurrected in 3 days", but that doesn't mean that Jonah is actually Christ. So in those two passages you quoted, Wesley and Calvin are merely saying that Michael in those verses they were commenting on typifies Christ's person

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Due to my recognition that my question was a truth question I changed it slightly. Can you kindly please edit your answer to suit the question. – Tony Jays Mar 5 '14 at 7:43
@TonyJays you do realize that it's much more difficult to prove that something does NOT exist rather than to prove that it does right? Unless Wesley or Calvin came out and straight up said "I believe that Jesus is Michael", you just assume otherwise. You could ask the same question about any non-living commentators or church fathers, even the apostle John, and you won't be able to find any evidence, but that does not mean that they believe it – Ruolin Mar 5 '14 at 8:11
@Ruolin both of them do believe Michael is the second person of Trinity not just mere typology. This can be seen if you search the existing opinion of those people Calvin said, "I embrace the opinion of those who refer this to the person of Christ." Calvin was following a belief that is quite common at that time that Michael is the Angel of the Lord above all other angels. This was based on his exegesis of angelic reference in both OT and NT that allude to Christ. It's not typology but identity. The closest allusion you can get is Andrei Rublev icon of Holy Visitation. Jesus sit in the middle. – Adithia Kusno Feb 19 '15 at 0:31

If you look at Calvin's commentary on Jude 9 you'll see nothing at all that suggests he thought that Michael is Jesus. Indeed, no one who has read Jude 9 could think so (except perhaps if they denied Jesus' divinity.)

Wesley wrote about Jude 9 too.

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A belief in Jesus as Michael in no way undermine their believe that Jesus is divine. Calvin didn't mention Jesus as Michael in his commentary on Jude 9 because it's not required from the context. It'd be like arguing that every time Michael is mentioned then Jesus need to be specified as him. That's arguing from silence. Calvin like all others at that time believed that the Angel of the Lord in OT is Michael. Hence, Calvin believed Michael is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity. For Calvin Michael doesn't typified the coming Messiah but identified the coming Messiah in OT as Michael. – Adithia Kusno Mar 10 '15 at 23:02
@AdithiaKusno If Jesus is Michael then why wouldn't he rebuke Satan in his own name? – curiousdannii Mar 10 '15 at 23:27
Jesus is not Michael. Michael name means [who] is like God? The Logos is God not like God. Calvin never clarified further than what he mentioned in Daniel but you can learn what Medieval theologians believed back then. Calvin was referring to them when saying this belief is common among people. If you ask SDA they'd answer that Jesus was being humble even though they believe Michael is the Logos. Jesus Himself says, He can do nothing other than what His Father shows Him. I'm about to write a question about pre-Nicene Angelic Christology. I'll explain why Michael is not the Logos. – Adithia Kusno Mar 10 '15 at 23:34

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