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When the first angel sounds all green grass is burnt up.

The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
-Rev 8:7

When the 5th angel sounds it is commanded not to hurt the grass or the earth.

And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
-Rev 9:4

What grass was left for them not to hurt?

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Hi and welcome to the site –  Bye Dec 28 '13 at 22:36
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According to what hermeneutic? Interpretations that understand the sequence of angels/bowls to be layered on top of each-other will have a different take on this than more linear approaches. If you want only to know which is correct, this is the wrong site for you. If you want to understand how a particular millennial theology deals with this, you should identify which it is you want to hear from. If you just want a textual analysis, we should migrate this to Biblical Hermeneutics. –  Caleb Dec 28 '13 at 22:38
    
@ Only he is good.On the Bible Hermeneutics site i have posted a similar question-In the book of Revelation is the fifth angel the first angel to sound his trumpet?This question will help you understand your question. –  77 Clash Dec 29 '13 at 11:30
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Cecil is very correct in that the book of revelation was written with heavy use of symbolism. You really have to study the scriptures around the one you are confused about in order to understand them.

There is also the translation to consider. My New World Translation renders the scripture in Revelation 8:7 as:

"The first one blew his trumpet. And there was hail and fire mingled with blood, and it was hurled to the earth; and a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green vegetation was burned up."

However those scriptures are talking about the same thing whether it be grass or vegetation. I have the book, but it is not currently on the website. I will be using the book Revelation-ITS GRAND CLIMAX AT HAND! chapters 21 and 22 as my source for gleaning more from the book of revelation. The book itself is very well researched and breaks down each scripture and explains it. So on the topic's we are looking at in chapters 8 and 9 it says this.

"In the Bible, the word “earth” often refers to mankind. (Genesis 11:1; Psalm 96:1) Since the second plague is on the sea, which also has to do with mankind, “the earth” must refer to the seemingly stable human society that Satan has built up and that is due to be destroyed. (2 Peter 3:7; Revelation 21:1) The plague scenario reveals that false religion's third of the earth is scorched by the searing heat of Jehovah’s disapproval. Her prominent ones—standing like trees in the midst of her—are burned up by the proclaiming of Jehovah’s adverse judgment. All her hundreds of millions of members, if they continue to support false religion, become like scorched blades of grass, spiritually wilted in God’s eyes.—Compare Psalm 37:1, 2."

Really then false religion is not being literally burned up, but spiritually. They are at that point experiencing God's full disapproval of them.

Later in chapter 9 of revelations that book again elaborates as to what those symbols mean.

"First, though, let us examine other scriptures that will help us to understand this plague better. The Bible book of Joel, written during the ninth century B.C.E., describes a plague of insects, including locusts, that is similar to the one that John sees. (Joel 2:1-11, 25) It was to cause much discomfort for apostate Israel but would also result in individual Jews’ repenting and returning to Jehovah’s favor. (Joel 2:6, 12-14) When that time arrived, Jehovah would pour out his spirit upon “every sort of flesh,” while fearful signs and alarming portents would precede “the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah.”—Joel 2:11, 28-32.

"There was a fulfillment of Joel chapter 2 in the first century. It was then, at Pentecost 33 C.E., that holy spirit was poured out, anointing the first Christians and empowering them to speak “the magnificent things of God” in many tongues. As a result, a large crowd assembled. The apostle Peter addressed those astonished onlookers, quoting Joel 2:28, 29 and explaining that they were witnessing its fulfillment. (Acts 2:1-21) But there is no record of a literal insect plague at that time, causing discomfort to some and leading others to repentance."

"Was there a figurative plague during those days? Yes, indeed! It came as a result of the relentless preaching of the newly anointed Christians. Through them, Jehovah invited those Jews who would listen to repent and enjoy blessings from him. (Acts 2:38-40; 3:19) The individuals who responded received his favor to a remarkable degree. But to the ones who refused the invitation, the first-century Christians became like a devastating swarm of locusts. Starting in Jerusalem, they spread through all Judaea and Samaria. Soon they were everywhere, tormenting the unbelieving Jews by publicly proclaiming Jesus’ resurrection, with all that this implied. (Acts 1:8; 4:18-20; 5:17-21, 28, 29, 40-42; 17:5, 6; 21:27-30) That plaguing continued until the “fear-inspiring day,” in 70 C.E., when Jehovah brought the Roman armies against Jerusalem to destroy it. Only those Christians who in faith called on the name of Jehovah were saved.—Joel 2:32; Acts 2:20, 21; Proverbs 18:10."

So something very similar was prophesied about locusts tormenting people and an outcome is given in the bible. So what about the modern time fulfillment of revelations locusts? Revelation 9:4-6

"They were told not to harm the vegetation of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. And it was granted the locusts, not to kill them, but to torment them five months, and their torment was like torment by a scorpion when it strikes a person. In those days people will seek death but will by no means find it, and they will long to die, but death will flee from them."

And the books explanation:

"Notice that this plague is not directed first against the people or prominent ones among them—the ‘vegetation and trees of the earth.’ (Compare Revelation 8:7.) The locusts are to harm only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads, those of false religion who claim to be sealed but whose record belies that claim. (Ephesians 1:13, 14) Thus, the tormenting utterances of these modern-day locusts were directed first against the false religious leaders. How these self-assuming men must have been tormented at hearing it publicly announced that not only were they failing to lead their flocks to heaven but they themselves would not get there! Truly, it has been a case of ‘the blind leading the blind’! "

So now that we know what those passages mean we can analyze your question better. The green vegetation or grass mentioned in chapter 9 are the men that are not in a leadership position be it government or religious. They are the common people.

Because revelations is very symbolic is is tough to say what portion of mankind is included in the grass/vegetation or what it means for them to be burnt up. That could mean a spiritual burning or withering. Thus they are spiritually weakened, but they can be hurt or weakened further.

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The Greek words translated for Grass where χόρτος and χόρτον. Both the same word yet in different cases. Leads me to believe that disasters where of specific location (Rev 1:20) Is it possible that all the green grass of Ephesus was burned up? And that no grass of Sardis was to be destroyed? What if the Locusts in (Revelation 9:7-11) where to describe the Roman soldiers. I was reading the 7's; 7th letter, 7th seal, 7th trumpet, 7th wrath, and I noticed a huge fault line under Laodicea. –  Only he is good. Jan 11 at 16:47
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There is a possiblity that grass refers to a specific type of holy grass that is of sweet smelling aroma to the Lord. This grass is also widely utilized throughout the old testament in offerings and sacrifices to the Lord in His Temple. Moses was spoken to through the burning bush or grass. Throughout history and even in Genesis 1 we believers have used this herb bearing seed as a means to meditate and focus on our Lord. That is why it is outlawed (albeit Colorado) because government knows that it aides in communication with the Spirit and does not want to see more souls coming to the truth of the One true God and Savior. If everyone was able to hear they would no longer be deaf and if everyone was able to see they would no longer be blind. The grass aides in hearing and seeing by activating the pineal gland of the brain.

I would be curious to know if anyone can find where it says anywhere in the Bible that it is a sin, aside from obeying the law of the land references.

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Sounds like you used the question to step onto your soapbox :) –  Steve Feb 8 at 14:23
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No need to engage in heavy symbolism here :).

The fifth angel (which is called "fifth" to help us understand the literal sequence of the angelic appearances, otherwise words have no meaning at all), is merely being instructed not to hurt nature, but to limit the hurt to mankind.

Taking the angelic wrath accounts as literal events (because Revelation doesn't tell us otherwise), we are told that a specific amount of trees were burned up by the fire; quite possibly "all" the green grass may simply refer to all the grass around those areas rather than every single blade of grass around the world. After all, the hail and fire 'only' destroyed 1/3 of the world's trees, affecting only certain parts of the earth, so it makes sense that all the grass in those areas were affected as well, and the rest unaffected. As elsewhere in the Bible, "all" has to be taken in context, and I think the context is limited to the 1/3 of the earth affected by the fire.

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How do we know that it was all the grass of the world that was burnt up and not just the grass of Ephesus? How do we know that the angels were told not to harm the grass of Sardis? "And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them." (Rev 8:2) and "...The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches..." (Rev 1:20). So in context. What proof do you have that these disasters happened to all the earth? –  Only he is good. Feb 8 at 16:30
    
The fire was cast upon "the earth." No location specified. So 1/3 of the earth was hit with fire. I have no reason to think that it was an extremely localized fire; "the earth" tells me the magnitude of the disaster. –  Steve Feb 8 at 19:38
    
If I heard a comet hit the earth, I don't expect the entire planet to be hit. –  Only he is good. Feb 8 at 23:20
    
@Onlyheisgood. Exactly. The fire hit locally somewhere on "the earth." "all" the grass in that locality was burned up, not the grass in the whole earth. You got it. –  Steve Feb 9 at 3:44
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Though John saw the many different events of the future in probably a few hours, the actual events span many years including the thousand years, and could also include many days/weeks/months/years between the events, for example [Revelation 9:5] explicitly states five months for that particular event. So there could be gaps of days, weeks, months or even years between the events, and there could be time to recover, at least partially, between the events. Revelation 9:20+ indicates that these explicit interventions at that point in mankind's history may be secondary, the actual purpose being to give a chance to the inhabitants of the time to repent instead of dismissing these events as wayward meteorite or UFO attack or cigarette wildfire and later on going after the wondrous beast.

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The thing we need to remember first is that the Revelation was written mostly in Symbolic language. The reason for this may well have been that Christians were being very much persecuted at that time, as is witnessed by the fact that John was currently serving a sentence on Patmos for being a Christian.

Even so we know from experience that when Grass, trees and indeed forests are burned they reseed from seeds, roots, and so forth even though the green grass had been burned there would still be grass available.

However in the same spirit of translation the idea here is that the 5th angel was sent to punish mankind and not nature.

John due to his circumstance would have used every trick he could think of and Surely the Angels themselves would have made sure that the messages to the Churches, and the word of Jesus would be preserved and as innocuous as necessary to not arouse the suspicion of the Romans. Certainly John would have been under strict Roman observance, since the Island of Patmos was in fact a penal colony.

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He said it must soon take place (Revelation 1:1). I do not see the time for regrowth. –  Only he is good. Feb 8 at 16:16
    
@Onlyheisgood. How long did it take God to cover the Earth with grass? –  Bye Feb 8 at 16:52
    
Good point, he made it less then a day I think. Although his regrowing of the grass isn't pointed out in Revelation. –  Only he is good. Feb 8 at 20:58
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