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God says thou shall not kill as one of the Ten Commandments but he actually instructs his chosen people to kill numerous times throughout the Old Testament. Then there is tons of killing, persecution, and even torture performed under the authority of the Catholic Church under the New Testament. Specifically I would like to sight the story of Saul when he is instructed to kill everyone of the Amalekites men, women, and children. Saul failed to do so and he was actually punished for it and would eventually lose his annionted kingship. So in short my question is:

Why does God condone or order so much killing when it is against the Commandments?

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marked as duplicate by Affable Geek, Narnian, wax eagle Jul 22 '13 at 13:39

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See this C.SE question: "Is murder allowed if God tells you to do it?" –  Philip Schaff Jul 22 '13 at 22:04
    
Also, John Piper provides a great -- and very direct -- answer to that question in this five minute YouTube video. –  Philip Schaff Jul 22 '13 at 22:05
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Exodus 20:13 (NIV) “You shall not murder.

Exodus 20:13 (KJV) Thou shalt not kill.

The meaning* of the Hebrew word for "kill/murder" used in this verse has a wide range of meanings as explained in this article. The act of killing in a warfare is not what this 6th commandment means.

The commands for the killings in the Old Testament had proper reasons.

Deuteronomy 20:16-18 (NIV) However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.

  1. To annihilate all the inhabitants of Canaan: God promised the land of Canaan to the people of Israel. It was necessary to annihilate all the inhabitants of Canaan before they could settle there. It is logical that no one will allow a foreigner to occupy his land. Israelites had to fight their way into Canaan in order to rule and possess it. Once the whole promised land was occupied, God never commanded them to extend their territory by attacking their neighboring countries. The whole Canaan was taken under the rule of David, and after him God never commanded them to extend their territory.
  2. To get rid of Idolaters: God did not want the Israelite to mingle with the idolaters in Canaan less they also become like them. God also did allow them to marry idolaters. It was the command of God to annihilate all idol worshipers in Canaan but the Israelites failed to do it which resulted in idolatry in Israel. This idolatry caused the destruction of Israel under Assyria and Judah under Babylon.

Regarding the killings and tortures done by the Catholic Church, it had more to do with politics and ignorance, rather than the commands in the Bible nor from God.


* As Caleb commented, the meaning of the word "kill" could mean "murder" at the time when KJV was written.

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This isn't so much as a translation issue as people failing to account for normal language issues. The KJV translation is just fine if you take it in the context of what the English word they used meant at the time. 400 years later the word does not carry the same meaning. See Why did the KJV translate Jeremiah 29:11 the way it did? for other examples. –  Caleb Jul 22 '13 at 10:07
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In the Old Testament, when God ordered the Israelites to kill various groups of people, the people being killed were always under judgement from God for their sins. The Canaanites were particularly evil people who practiced idolatry, including brutal infant sacrifices. As such, it could be argued that the people were guilty under the law and therefore, killing them would be a matter of capital punishment rather than murder. As others have made clear, the Ten Commandments prohibit murder, not all killing. The Mosaic Law includes capital punishment as a recourse for many crimes, so clearly, in context, the Ten Commandments were not intended to outlaw all killing.

That explanation, however, is not, in my mind sufficient to answering the question. For instance, that doesn't explain why it was just for the Israelites to kill babies. Surely it cannot be said that the Canaanite infants were any more guilty of breaking the Mosaic Law than the Israelite babies were. To answer the question of why it was just for the Israelites to kill innocent babies, you must go beyond a simple murder-versus-capital-punishment explanation.

One answer to that question is that God is omnipotent and omniscient. When we murder someone, it is wrong because we have taken something away that we cannot give back. We do not have the power to give the person their life back. When God takes someone's life, not only is it in his power to give it back to them, it was He who lent it to them in the first place.

Similarly, when we carry out capital punishment, we take great pains to ensure that we do not wrongly convict the innocent. When God carries out capital punishment, he definitively knows, not only the persons guilt or innocence, but also their future decisions. He knows whether or not they would ever repent if they were given the opportunity to do so.

Therefore, if it's just for God to directly apply capital punishment, as in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah, it is also just for him to ask an executioner to carry out the punishment for him, as in the examples you mentioned.

Concerning any killings that have been carried out by the Church, Catholic or otherwise: it cannot be said that God condoned those killings merely because they were performed in His name. If Bob murders Sam and claims that Marty made him do it, that doesn't necessarily mean that Marty condoned it. It's only true that Marty condoned it if what Bob claimed actually was true. It's fallacious reasoning to claim that a religion supports murder merely because some of its adherents are guilty of it.

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Welcome to C.SE! –  Affable Geek Jul 22 '13 at 14:07
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