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Did the Nephilim that are mentioned in Genesis 6:4 do anything beyond just existing?

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An interesting video on the subject. youtube.com/watch?v=u0gZMFD34Vc –  2tim424 May 19 '13 at 0:08
    
@2Tim424 Chuck Missler's "creepy" book is the one I was referring to in my answer below. –  fredsbend May 19 '13 at 1:37
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It has been over a month to see if other questions come in. I think I answered your question very thoroughly. If so, please come back and select it as correct by clicking the green check mark by it. –  fredsbend Jun 25 '13 at 0:11
    
The Nephilim were those called "Noldor elves" (etymology N-ph-L-dior) by Tolkien. I've written a book about the Nephilim ... find excerpts and the book in this source. –  user10320 Mar 10 at 8:01

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The Nephilim are a subject of much debate. There are a number of views on what they were, the two prominent views being the Sethite view and the Angelic view. Both are an opinion on who or what the "sons of God" are.

The Nephelim are most notably mentioned in Genesis and seem to be a driving decision to send the Flood of Noah.

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

A few things stand out in this one verse:

  1. The "sons of God" procreated with "daughters of humans" which created the Nephilim.
  2. They are "heroes of old, men of renown." They did fantastic things.
  3. They were on the Earth "afterward" presumably the Flood.
  4. This short narrative on them is right in the midst of the introduction to Noah and the Flood, hinting that they may have been a reason God brought on the Flood.

Generally, the Sethite view holds that the Sons of God were the righteous men descended from Seth; they praised and worshiped God. The daughters of men are women descended from Cain, who came from wickedness. This view contends that there is nothing particularly special about these persons and it is meant to highlight that the mixing of the righteous people of Seth with the wicked people of Cain led to further wickedness and their subsequent total destruction by the Flood.

Generally, the Angelic view holds that the Sons of God were angels or some other spiritual creatures that procreated with human women. This view contends that this act alone was wicked and an indication that these angelic beings were fallen from God's grace, therefore the offspring were inherently wicked. This view also contends that the offspring were giants and beyond human capabilities.

With both of these views, there is very little Biblical support. However, I find the suppositions and theories very interesting and even fun to research in a science fiction kind of way.

The extent to which your exact question is answered depends on which view you want to hear. From the Sethite view it pretty much stops at Goliath, if you call him a Nephilim because he was a giant. From the Angelic view, we can go all the way through Revelation. Outside of the Bible we can make many suppositions and links to mythology, but that is a bit outside of the scope of this site.

Here are some of the major points concerning the Nephilim:

Points from the scripture

  • A people in Canaan are later called Nephilim and giants in Numbers.
  • A man named Anak is listed as a forefather of them. His father is listed as Arba.
  • It seems that in ancient times, they also went by Anakin, Anakim, or Anakites, all clearly derivatives of the name Anak. They also went by Rephaites; that name's origin is a little less clear.
  • Three sons of Anak are mentioned by name as if they are still living.
  • Goliath was a giant; so were his four brothers. This implies that they may have been part of a nearly extinct family of giants, possibly Nephilim descendants.
  • Some of the Apocrypha go into detail about the Nephilim, the Book of Enoch is most notable.

Points from the Sethite View

  • Typically, those holding the Sethite view are not biblical literalists and do not believe in the infallibility of the Scripture. Therefore, their explanations are quite naturalist.
  • Heroes of old is difficult to explain, but it is usually thus: being persons from both lines, the Nephilim united the two lines, setting themselves up as kings and such, and led Earth into prosperity, although at the cost of righteousness.
  • They were 'on the Earth afterward' is a scribal insert from the original text. The few times they are mentioned in Numbers is by exaggerating scouts; they even went so far as to call them giants. Though they may have been, the source is shaky.

Points from the Angelic View

  • Typically, those holding the Angelic view are biblical literalists and believe in the infallibility of the Scripture. Therefore, their explanations do not hesitate anything so long as the text of the Scripture mentions it.
  • They were heroes because they were giants. That much we can know for sure. There are obvious advantages to being larger than everyone else. Goliath is often pointed to as evidence that the Nephilim must have been giants, too. Being half angel or something else non-human they might have had impressive abilities. They may have been able to do things that we cannot even comprehend. I have heard everything from the ability to levitate to supernatural strength to unsurpassed cunning. This easily puts them in line to seize and rule the entire Earth and become "heroes".
  • There have been many draws from mythology and pagan gods to the Nephilim, with some even arguing that characters like Hercules and Ra were real at least in part and were Nephilim.
  • A reason the Flood was decided was to wipe out the Nephilim, which were an abomination to God. The fact that some survived was reason for the flat out genocide of some of the peoples of Canaan; the Nephilim needed to be destroyed.
  • Some have purported that demons are the disembodied Nephilim that have perished. Demons seem obsessed with possessing persons because they are disembodied. Their soul is not like a human soul. They would surely not be allowed in heaven and perhaps there angelic abilities keep them from spiritual imprisonment elsewhere. The story of the group of demons called "Legion" in Mark 5 illustrate this.
  • I read a fascinating, and frankly creepy, book that connected the Nephilim with alien abductions and went on further to name them as the 2nd beast of Revelation that makes the world bow down and worship the image of the 1st beast. It is completely outlandish, but water tight once a few assumptions are taken.

Wikipedia has a fantastic article on the Nephilim, however, it seems very disorganized to me.


*I wrote an essay on the topic, but I could not find it. I did find my preliminary notes. Here they are.

The following are all the verses that are or might be related to the Nephilim.

Gen. 6:4—The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Gen. 14:5—[They] went out and defeated…the Emites[see Dt. 2:10].
Gen. 23:2Kiriath Arba is a name for Hebron which is in Canaan.
Gen. 35:27Kiriath Arba is Hebron
Nu. 13:28—They went up through the Negev and came to Hebron, where Ahiman, Sheshai and Talmai, the descendents of Anak, lived.
Nu. 13:33—We saw the Nephilim there (the descendents of Anak come from the Nephilim).
Dt. 1:28—We even saw the Anakites there.
Dt. 2:10—(about the land of Ar) the Emites used to live there—a people strong and numerous, and as tall as the Anakites. Like the Anakites, they too were considered Rephaites, but the Moabites called them Emites.
Dt. 9:2—(on lands across the Jordan) The people are strong and tall—Anakites!
Jos. 11:21,22—Joshua destroyed the Anakites. No Anakites were left in Israelite territory; only in Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod, did any survive.
Jos. 14:12—(Caleb talking) You yourself heard then that the Anakites were there and that their cities were large and fortified.
Jos. 14:15Hebron used to be called Kiriath Arba after Arba who was the greatest man among the Anakites (Hebron is also mentioned other times in the Bible, but long after the Anakites were all ran out).
Jos. 15:13,14Arba was the forefather of Anak. Caleb drove out the 3 Anakites: Ahiman, Sheshai and Talmai from Hebron.
Jos. 21:11Kiriath Arba is Hebron; Arba was the forefather of Anak.
Jdg. 1:10—They advanced against the Canaanites living in Hebron (formerly called Kiriath Arba) and defeated Ahiman, Sheshai and Talmai.
Ne. 11:25—People of Judah lived in Kiriath Arba.
1 Sam. 17—The story of Goliath begins here. Goliath is clearly described as a giant. He is from Gath. This was during war with the Philistines.
1 Chr. 20:4-8 & 2 Sam. 21:15-22—In these verses we learn Goliath had a giant brother named Lahmi and was descended from Repha, though he was called a Gittite. There is also a short description of a 6-fingered, 6-toed giant Rephaite named Sippai or Saph. David is almost slain by a Rephaite named Ishbi-Benob.
1 Chr. 20:8—Seems to be the nail in the coffin for the Rephaites at Gath. Says they fell at David's hands.

The following were preliminary conclusions. They are from a biblical literalist view.

The Nephilim were a real people who lived before and after the flood. That is very clear in the Scripture. They received the name Anakites from Anak who was a descendant to Arba who was "the greatest man among them." The land they lived in was called Kiriath Arba, but it was later called Hebron. The mention of the Emites leads me to conclude that these people were also from the Nephilim, but perhaps their lineage was lost or unknown. Dt. 2:10 shows the confusion of who they were, but it strongly asserts that they were also large and strong people. "Rephaites" is only mentioned in passing in a few areas. It is possible, that because of confusion and different people using different names, that Anakites, Emites, and Rephaites were all the same people; it is also possible that Gittites were the same people as well. Dt. 9:2 hints that there were other tribes of people who may have been related to the Nephilim through the Anakites, or they may be directly related to the Nephilim. Perhaps like Israel, they were divided into tribes, maybe from the sons of Arba or Anak. The mention of Ahiman, Sheshai and Talmai in Nu. 13:28 and Jos. 15:13,14 hints at this possibility; it is not a stretch to assume that these three persons were chiefs, kings, or some other kind of leaders fr their people. When we look at Goliath the scriptures clearly call him and his family Rephaites, who are descendants of Anakites. There are quite a few details about them, and they are all surrounded by stories of war with the Philistines. The Philistines clearly were allied with them or perhaps the Rephaites were Philistines. Considering the Philistines were eventually completely destroyed, the last of the descendants of the Nephilim were either killed or integrated into other, normal races. If there were (or are) surviving Nephilim the Bible does not explicitly record it.

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Very nice and thorough answer! –  David Stratton May 18 '13 at 16:05
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As to the idea that Nephilim are connected to aliens, the book Alien Intrusion connects aliens to demons in a similarly excellent way. –  SSumner May 20 '13 at 0:22
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@SSumner Yes, when examined, alien abduction stories have an eriely demonic tone and the similarities among themselves as well. I have not read that one, but I will keep an eye out for it? –  fredsbend May 20 '13 at 6:58
    
It's by Gary Bates. –  SSumner May 20 '13 at 15:08
    
I think it's worth noting that as far as I know the later people in Canaan called the Nephilim are only called that by characters in the text, and not by the editorial voice. I think the Nephilim were all wiped out in the flood. –  curiousdannii Dec 13 '13 at 8:31

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown. - Genesis 6: 4

Over time, Genesis 6: 4 generated a mass of speculative oral traditions. The reasons are fanciful translations of the word 'Nephilim', and the terms 'sons of God' and 'daughters of men', and innovative interpretations of the verse. The correct translation for 'Nephilim' is 'giants' but there is a play on words as 'nephyl' means 'fallen', so giants that have 'fallen' or 'come down'. Using a bit of imagination the 'fallen' was turned into 'fallen angels', aliens in every form, and even the 'survivors of abortions'. 'Sons of God' can as easily be translated as 'sons of the gods', meaning, followers of the false gods or 'sons of royalty' with the explanation that the children of the rulers were the Nephilim. It was even taken to mean the descendents of Seth while 'daughters of men' has the obvious meaning of could mean 'the descendents of Cain'.

The wide variety of translations made it possible for a number of interpretations to emerge and some of them have even generated a new genre of fiction. One of the lesser known but still interesting explanations for the verse involves Neanderthal man.

Neanderthal man was very similar to humans except that they were much stronger with huge muscles and had great endurance. The other big difference was that he had a larger brain and the manner of his burial rites show spirituality, and care of the old and sickly shows social conscience. Neanderthal managed to survive in conditions so cold that even an Eskimo would freeze without knowing how to sew by making coats and duvets of feathers. (Tying feathers together to make a coat was well within their capabilities and from there the belief in angels with wings.) To primitive Homo sapiens, he must have seemed like a giant.

The Carmel Caves on Mount Carmel are amongst the most important of the prehistoric caves in Israel as they were continuously occupied for an incredible 150 000 years. Here prehistoric man went from cave dweller to a builder of homes. From a hunter-gatherer to a planter and domesticator. And most importantly here the remains of mixed humans were found - half Neanderthal, half Homo sapiens. (Some scholars called this ‘human’ Palaeanthropus Palestinensis (Ancient Palestinian Man)) Here was the beginning of ancient man using ‘modern’ (Mousterian) Neanderthal tools and adopting a 'modern' culture that contained the first religion.

For 90 000 years the two groups lived side by side without much interaction but eventually Neanderthal came down from the mountains and mixed with the humans resulting in the mighty men that were of old, a new people that had an advanced culture. From the Neanderthal, man learnt how to work metals and arrange flowers, how to hunt as a team, and how to make war, how to cure the sick and take care of the old, and most significantly man adopted their religion that centered on funeral rites. Eat the flesh; bury the bones. The bones for eternal life in the hereafter, and the flesh so the departed stays part of the survivors, and so enjoy eternal life on earth. To the humans this ritual must have looked like cannibalism and that explains Enoch 7: 4 (The giants turned against them and devoured mankind.)

From this idea, a more elaborate hypothesis evolved that has some sound science mixed with some very strange thinking. Humankind throughout its development split up (the Tower of Babel is an example) and individual groups developed for periods in isolation. From time to time, these groups would get together again and merge to form a new group. Genesis 6 describes such coming together of three groups and there is enough archeological evidence to make it believable that this happened in Israel. The three groups were: • The 'sons of God' are those who served, or were supposed to serve, God. They were the descendents of Seth. The use of 'sons' is to show those that toil on the earth from generation to generation without much progress. From Seth came hope for the future, living for future generations, and belief in the unseen.
• The 'daughters of men' are the descendents of Cain who built the first city without God in their hearts. The use of 'daughters' is to show those that conquer the chaos of nature - bruising the head of the snake. From Cain came conquest of nature and the building of civilization.
• The Nephilim or giants were Neanderthal man who brought with him creativity and ritual.

The new group that formed from the mixing of these three is what is called 'modern man', Homo sapiens sapiens, man aware and creative. There is a confirmation of 'man creative' in verse 5, if 'imagination' is taken to mean 'creative thinking'. (And the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.) 'Imagination' is translated from the Hebrew 'yetzer' and there is 'yetzer hara' or creativity/imagination that leads to evil and 'yetzer tob', creativity/imagination that leads to good. In Genesis 8: 21, God said in His heart that no longer will humanity as a whole be punished for the sin of Adam (that is what made man aware) and neither will there be a group punishment for the 'yetzer hara' that had now become part of man.

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I have heard of the naturalist "Neanderthal view," but I have never heard it mixed with the Sethite view. This is an interesting idea that the Nephilim were a cultural amalgamation of Seth's children, Cain's children, and Neanderthals. Am I portraying that accurately? –  fredsbend Dec 13 '13 at 20:32

Madeleine L'Engle gives a possible opinion in her novel "Many Waters": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many_Waters. She shows them interacting with the humans during the time of Noah.

Adding this at the prompting of David Stratton, though I think the Wikipedia entry will be more useful and factual for readers: as I recall (it's been a number of years since I read it), L'Engle portrays nephilim as shadowy, quasi-evil individuals of great beauty, power, and persuasion. There are examples of intermarriage with humans of the time and something about it being difficult to deliver the child of a nephil. When I read the book, I had not yet come across nephilim in any other context and remember wondering if she was portraying fallen angels.

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